Russian President Putin announces military operation in Ukraine

[Offshr]

It is good that you admit⁤ the fact that you like Russian propaganda. They spent billions on it. So some people⁣ in the West that think that they are clever and understand more than others and⁢ see hidden agendas can believe in whatever nonsense.
Not everything turns around the US and︀ the Fed. There are some things going on in other countries too.
No one in︁ the west is able to realize the whole horror of the Soviet Union. People are︂ banging on about 5% inflation and high dentist fees, talking about how good Russia is︃ comparing to the US. No one of them is able to realise even 1% of︄ all s*it that is going on in CIS region. So when I see western or︅ Middle east putin supporters it just make me smile.
Make yourself aware of some real︆ culture of Russia(not the fake pushkin/ballet culture).
Watch movies Brother and Brother 2, Cargo 200,︇ the Green Elephant. Then come back and we will discuss their propaganda.

 

[troubled soul]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1552915088406827009
Epic Trolling of the West - Time to move to Russia, Winter is coming‌

 

[backpacker]

You know very little:
https://www.cadtm.org/History-of-accumulation-of-theAdd to it the many defaults of state‌ owned banks (e.g. Ukreximbank) and other state owned companies like Naftogaz and you have one‍ of the worst debtor nations on Planet Earth.

In terms of international conditions it defaulted only once (in 1918). The 1998⁠ default was on local debt, an internal problem from which it recoverd relatively fast. The⁤ Russian Federation as a member of CIS in fact never defaulted on anything external.
Read -> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/27/russia-defaults-foreign-debt-ukraine-war/

You can compare it with Prussia/ Deutsches Reich/Germany: The country called Federal Republic⁣ of Germany never defaulted. However, it predecessors defaulted many times. Still nobody would come up⁢ with the idea to say that the Federal Republic of Germany is a bad debtor︀ just because it's predecessors defaulted many times.
For educational purposes -> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/07/germany-has-defaulted-on-its-debts-too/

You can only count the defaults within the same time︁ frame when comparing UA and AR. Considering this, both are on par - awful, unreliable︂ debtors.
-> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sk-mounts-as-local-bond-yields-top-70-percent
But there are enough stupid creditors on the planet who still lend︃ to these countries stupi#21
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Stop mixing dumb war propaganda with economic facts (-> that's what︄ You did with My post #1082 -> https://www.offshorecorptalk.com/th...peration-in-ukraine.36561/page-55#post-223739 ) ban-:;

 

[369]

its no phobia its the plan of the US⁤ to create the 3 sea initiative to make sure russia and germany can never join⁣ forces

no one is obligated s**t to ukraine.
all ukraine does is executing the geopolitical︅ plan of US
they are simple sucker creating a war which has completly nothing to︆ do about ukraine other than its location

how much are you getting paid per post ?can't find a decent job?

 

[Offshr]

No offence but you⁠ need to read more about what is a state default is.
Bankruptcy of the bank⁤ is not a default, even if there was a partial ownership of the state.
Buncruptcy of the company is not a default, even if there was a partial ownership of⁣ the government.
Ukraine was never in default, there was no a haircut for investors (unlike⁢ Russia). The link you provided is not credible, good luck to trust Zakhar Popovych with︀ your investments.
"Worst debtor nation on the planet Eart" - you are a joker

The local debt default still makes it a default of the︄ state. No matter how fast they recover, it is a default. And Russia defaulted just︅ a month ago on the external debt, I presume you intentionally forgot it.
So, together︆ with 1918 as you said, it makes it 3 times in default already.
"one the︇ worst debtor on planet earth " - lol

How can you compare that? And why︌ should we do that that? Lol

Once again, you are being‌ manipulative. There was no a haircut for investors in Ukraine. You compare country with 0‍ defaults and 9 defaults. This is nonsense )
Once again, let's see what we have:⁠
Ukraine - 0
Russia - 3
Argentina - 9

As I can see from above, you are not good at⁣ Economic facts at all, lol

Once again, the limited US centristic mindset. Try to find︁ some more information about history of Ukraine and Russia.

Obliged as there is a legal document, the promises were︅ made. And Russia broke its promises. So far the US and UK have not.
Ukraine has not created a war mate, Russia attacked Ukraine, not vice-versa. I believe we all︆ can agree at least on this fact.

I will simply leave this︈ unanswered as a sign of your weakness in arguments. Lol

Before 1991 it was ballet an missiles.
Now they added cheap women and the gas.︋ BTW vodka is not as popular as Boyarishnik there due to the extreme poverty.
I am packing my things and heading to MSK, comrad! lmao

 

[369]

lol what a propagandist️ you are.promise were made to russia which each and everyone was broken.ukraine is a nobody.No‌ important at all.Its that its location which matters for military purpose and nothing else.
Who cares about the most corrupt country in europe run by nazis.
NOONE

 

[Offshr]

Who made promises to Russians? On what?
Ukraine never‍ strived to join NATO before the attack on Crimea. Less then 40% of population in⁠ Ukraine supported joining NATO before the Russian invasion of 2014.

Well, that is your desire, but it does not reflect the reality.⁢ This is your private matter what to believe, but as for me you watched too︀ much of RT TV channel, lol

You perfectly described Russia right now)︂
BTW do you know how they treat other nationalities in Russia? Asians are being most︃ abused, they use the word Churka for them.
Also, pay attention to the rates of︄ etnoses in the troops that were sent to Ukraine for certain death. The most of︅ them are from Dagestan, Ichkeria, Buriatiya. The Russians themselves are in minority. What conclusions can︆ you make based on that information?
Have you heard recent statement of Lavrov claiming that︇ "the biggest anticemits always were jews"? Putin had to apologies for that statement later on.︈

As for Ukraine, the last two presidents were Jews, so that is not really credible︉ statement lol

 

[backpacker]

If you want to appear at least half-way credible,︉ learn about the economic history of the country you are promoting.
For your enlightenment, following︊ a couple of articles I urge you to read before posting any further unqualified statements︋ ->

• Ukraine completes debt restructuring of around $15 billion
  
• Ukraine Downgraded by S&P as Default︌ Becomes ‘Virtual Certainty’
  
• Russia says Ukraine defaulted on $3 billion Eurobond
  
• http://www.nber.org/papers/w13946.pdf
  
• Ukraine's debt restructuring︍ to include haircuts - Finance Minister
  
• Ukraine bondholders face haircuts and extensions
  
• Ukraine creditors' debt︎ plan shows bond haircut inevitable - source
  
• Haircut of 20 percent seen in Ukraine debt️ deal - WSJ
  
• Russia sees court fight after Ukraine 'defaults' on $3B bond
  
• What We‌ Know About Defaulting | VoxUkraine
  

* = The word "state default" only exists in the‍ vocabulary of @Offshr . So, let's use default or government default. Mentioning Ukreximbank in this⁠ context is necessary and valid since it had no private investors (unlike Naftotgaz). The situation⁤ was similar with Ukrzaliznytsia.

** = Comparing the number of government defaults of Argentina disqualifies⁣ you: Independent Argentina exists since 1816 whereas independent Ukraine only exists since 1991.
I have⁢ given a hint in post #1'106 by mentioning "timeline", including an example of another country.︀ You preferred to disregard the timeline - your loss.

*** = Haircut was about 20%,︁ depending on what new bond an investor had chosen.

**** = If you include the︂ fact that Ukraine stopped serving the "Russian Bond" (legitimate bond of UA, registered in Ireland),︃ you have to add even one more default to the number of Ukrainian government defaults.︄

***** = Russia healed its internal default of 1998 relatively soon after.
As you might︅ have learned by now, UA defaulted about two years later. Unfortunately, UA healed nothing. It︆ was just a very dumb administered operation which left many people out of pocket.
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Btw., the inflationary use of "lol" does not make your posts look more︇ legitimate.

I have to leave it here since I am not getting paid for my︈ posts. Anyway, I hope you have learned at least a tiny bit about the economic︉ history of the country you promote so enthusiastically.

 

[Offshr]

Oh, you are back?
You spend so much time consulting with︀ Zakhariy Popovich on misrepresentation of facts, that I thought you wouldn't return. Lol

First you︁ said that Ukraine had default in 1998. When you realised that it was Russian default︂ not Ukrainian you met Zakhariy Popovich again and he told you to take up another︃ strategy.
So you came up with the articles from 2015!! about possible scenario of the︄ past!!
Mate, all that restructuring has happened already, without default! Zakhariy did not tell you︅ that? Lmao

Another thing is that you referring to the Russians all the time in︆ your statement. This makes you not only funny, but also a person who is ready︇ to trust anyone. Remember, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES you should believe what Russians says.
If you︈ knew their culture you would realize that for them lie is a national sport, it︉ is a part of their living. Remember what Bismark said about them? What Karamzin said︊ about them? Go and learn!
https://voxukraine.org/en/whats-wrong-with-defaulting/
I was just teaching you︎ that default is not the same as buncruptcy. Go back and learn better!

Mate, I would not go deep into this nonsense you wrote. All your arguments does︅ not change the score, as it is below on number of defaults:

Ukraine 0 defaults︆
Russia 3 defaults
Argentina 9 defaults

all other is just a manipulation.

If I would be paid for︉ each nonsense that I see people post I would be a billioner by now. Unfortunately︊ I need to teach some people for free.

Good luck and have a nice day!︋

 

[Offshr]

Things are not going well for Russians in Ukraine.

The war showed that Russian military‌ is completely obsolete, they have huge problems with logistics and commanding centres. Their best systems‍ like c-300 proven themselves to be useless against modern weapons. Deployment of HIMARS changed the⁠ war, Russians suffer enormous losses:

https://www.minusrus.com/en
The toughest sanctions in history decimated Russian economy that⁤ is moving back to 1991.
The ability to blackmail the west with cheap gas would⁣ remain for around 2 years from now, until they find substitute with Africa and the⁢ Middle East.

The only advantage remain for Russians is a nuclear weapon.

China is observing︀ Russia loosing in Ukraine. Probably Putin will need to get military and economical support from︁ China one day, in return of obeyance and partial loss of sovereignty de-facto.

Do you︂ have any thoughts on that?

 

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Offshr​

Poor angry and weak boy, you come with theoretical scenarious to try to persuade‌ others how bad everything to come for Russia is. Because there's nothing else you can‍ do. Who then has a problem: Russia or you?

 

[Offshr]

I would love to hear real thoughts, not aggressive hysteria.

 

[RealDude]

how can i block users like you here?

Russia is already a vassal of⁤ China. It's time for a big party in China.

 

[avalanche]

I'm having that feeling that offshorecorptalk is turning into a dumpster of political propaganda from‌ both sides. Is there a chance that admins could limit this Ukraine / Russia topic‍ by placing it in a segregated thread?

 

[Rulentiy]

long time to⁠ do

 

[Cabin14]

Ok Ruskie bot.

 

[joffreylol]

People have asked couple of times already for this post to be locked or deleted.‌ I also think that it was turned into a typical social media type of post‍ by now. I'm surprised by the amount of new accounts posting Ukrainian propaganda, I wouldn't⁠ be surprised that they are paid for it. It used to be only Ukrainian like⁤ John Spectre and couple of Polish guys spewing Ukrainian propaganda.

 

[Martin Everson]

Zelensky 'not all he's portrayed as' by Western media: Bernardi​

*Martin ducks for cover*

 

[troubled soul]

https://www.businessinsider.com/when-vladimir-putins-gone-who-comes-next-2022-8

When Vladimir Putin's gone, who comes next?​