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Of course there are nazis in russia
same for germany or switzerland.︂
But its by far not such a big issue like in ukraine.

You play stupid︃ games why i won't reply to you anymore.

You compare the n**i issue in ukraine︄ with other countries even they are totaly diffrent in extremicy.
Or you wanna tell me︅ germany is a n**i country because there are nazis too and even met with politicans︆ there too?

i just proofed that even ukraine leadership is︈ admiting that russia is not shoting missles on civilians.....
Of course you give a s**t︉ because truth doesn't bother you

And about Mariupol where you claimed there is no azonov..........5︊ choppers flew yesterday in a desperate suicide mission to mariupol to rescue some azanov leadership.2︋ choppers got shot down.
Yeah seems noone important was there like you guys claimed
 
This also encourages civilians to⁠ stay, which can then be used as human shields as we saw during Mariupol.

There is⁢ something much more to this, looks like the French are knee-deep in this, trying to︀ get somebody out.

@Golden Fleece is a bad faith actor in this thread. The denial︁ and whataboutisms of n**i's are ridiculous. Ukraine has them in abundance. There are countless bits︂ of footage of their atrocities and testimonies of civilians who have unfortunately had to deal︃ with thugs who torture them, murder them etc. Their crimes? "Under suspicion of not being︄ sufficiently patriotic enough" Where is Volodymyr Struk?

These are all easy to verify. Whereas all︅ the Russian wrongdoings can never be corroborated, they're tweeted by blue checkmarks or the "Kyivindependent"︆ with zero proof.

But perhaps more worryingly, the west appears to be actively trying to︇ cover up Ukraine's humanitarian crimes and help the Zelinsky/Kolomoisky/NATO regime avoid facing responsibility for it.︈ Why?
 
The topic should've been renamed to "who will throw more proofs to others in favour‌ of and against Russia " 🙂
 
You simply fail to acknowledge any of the evidence of‍ a n**i presence in Russia, including Putin meeting with n**i officers in his army at⁠ the Kremlin and hiring Nazis as paid assassins. Even Putin himself acts like a n**i⁤ in his aggression against his own people and in his invasion of other countries. It⁣ is documented that Nazis are everywhere in Russia.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russian_neonazi_sentences_welcomed/24263471.html
 
Does anyone else feel that the word "n**i" is being over used?

Yes there are‌ a small number of people in various countries who self-identify with and wear logos associated‍ with 1920s to 1940s National Socialism, but this is rare.

Mostly it seems to be⁠ "people I don't like", which devalues and dilutes the term and makes it meaningless. Maybe⁤ we could use more descriptive terms from now on?
 
You are conflating using the word Nazis, which leftists brand as anyone they disagree with. "I⁤ don't think trans woman should use the ladies bathroom" "You're a n**i!"

vs

ACTUAL Nazis.⁣ These guys in Ukraine are hardcore, they worship Stepan Bandera.

For the former you are⁢ correct, it is overused and trivialises it.

For the latter, it's 100% accurate and this︀ term should be used.

I don't know what people are more clueless about in the︁ west, Covid 19 or what is happening in Ukraine. Maybe on a par, either way,︂ one mass formation followed by another.
 
Different people in this‌ thread have accused their opposing sides of being "Nazis". They might both be right, after‍ all there are n**i sympathisers even in 2022. But these accusations are too broadly based⁠ and have got out of hand.

I don't⁤ even know which side of the covid culture war you're on, but to bring it⁣ up in this context is a good example of what I'm talking about. And that⁢ does not mean that I support any equally extreme enemies of yours.
 
The posts pointing out that Ukraine has a n**i problem are not an accusation. They are⁢ facts. Anyone who cares to look can see this is the case. It isn't out︀ of hand or broadly based. It is right there in the open. Anyone denying it︁ or treading on eggshells with "well I dunno it might be right but there are︂ Nazis elsewhere too" is either stupid or has an agenda.
 
The problem is that someone else can write the same paragraph as above, just replacing‌ "Ukraine" with "Russia". The swapping of insults between people on both sides doesn't seem to‍ achieve very much.
 
Yes, but then the post would be⁠ false. All countries have a n**i contingent, not all of them have entire battalions and⁤ large numbers who are following Stepan Bandera.

What we do need to get to the⁣ bottom of however is why the west has been training these troops and working alongside⁢ them? Something seriously messed up is going on, and it likely runs far deeper than︀ Biden's crack head sons dodgy dealings.
 
Feel free to do the research @polonieth . How many n**i supporters are there in‌ DE, HU, CZ, US, PL, UK, BR, IT, SE, FR, ES, CA, NL? The answers‍ are quire uncomfortable.

The numbers in UA and RU may well be less, but Western⁠ media have more interest in exposing them for some reasons.
 
The main problem is that people are ignorant of history. Even a cursory‌ research of Stepan Bandera shows that he was a nationalist, not a n**i. If he‍ was a n**i, or even a n**i collaborator, why would the Gestapo arrest him and⁠ then place him in a concentration camp?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera#Jews
I was born⁢ only because my grandfather's family fled from Eastern Europe to Germany when the Soviet tanks︀ rolled into their country. The Germans were viewed by almost all Eastern Europeans as far︁ more humane versus the Soviet savages. The family later scattered all over the world rather︂ than return to a Soviet occupied country. So, I have studied this history my entire︃ life.

After enduring hundreds of years of Russian occupation and experiencing Soviet aggression since 1920,︄ many thousands of nationalists -- such as Stepan Bandera -- worked with the Germans during︅ WWII to keep their nations free from Soviet occupation. They would do anything to save︆ their countries. That did not make them Nazis. That made them nationalist freedom fighters. If︇ I was Ukrainian, I would also celebrate the lives of patriots such as Stepan Bandera.︈

As always, it is the Russians who act and think like Nazis. Indeed, they are︉ the other side of the same coin.
 
Thanks for︇ finally shedding some light on why you post what you do in this thread. You︈ cannot take an objective view.
 
there are no nazis running any army or being in high position power......who are worshipping⁣ bandera/hitler

LOL
You know s**t︌ about history it seems.
Poles never forget how ukrainian bandera killed polish civilians.........till today they︍ don't accept ukraines in a high grade
Did banderas killed polish civilians to fight soviet︎ union ? 😀
 
I am simply‍ reporting actual history and the facts. For example, the people claiming that Stepan Bandera was⁠ a n**i are objectively wrong -- and it does not take more than a few⁤ minutes of research to prove it.

Unlike the Russian apologists here just spouting off ignorantly,⁣ I have studied these issues for decades.
 
you clearly have studied it poorly.....
come to poland and ask any polish guy⁣ about bandera and he will tell you in the face what he thinks about them.⁢
polish people don't forget and thats a sentance i can confirm as a foreigner is︀ true
Also claiming because gestapo stopped his insanity of murdering that he is not a︁ n**i even he worshipped SS ideology and Hitler is simple STUPID
 
@369 there are some who worship whomever but I think we can overstate the scale‌ of the problem.

I stand by my original point and it is neutral towards you‍ and your opponents equally.

There are more than zero Nazis but people here on both⁠ sides are now exaggerating to a large degree and it is not helpful.

"My facts⁤ are facts, your opinions are just opinions."
 
It was war -- and⁠ patriots killed whoever aided the Soviet Union in its aggression. I have no problem with⁤ that.

In terms of the slaughter of innocents, that is another matter -- but it⁣ seems he was not involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera#Poles
Again, the German Nazis placed him in a concentration because︂ . . . he was a n**i? lol.
 
Sorry but you are simple dumb when claiming bandera mass⁤ killed polish civilians to fight soviet union which were also an enemy of poland at⁣ that time.
I recommend come to poland and tell anybody your stupidty here and i⁢ GUARANTEE you ,you won't leave that country on your own legs.
You can't imagine how︀ deep this crime sits in the polish people minds and how much they hate bandera︁
 
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