Do you think Ukrainians trusted him in the beginning? There's nothing that would deteriorate their trust more. So why not cause chaos to try to overwhelm the Ukrainians? That's what I assume his strategy is. However, there are reports by US intelligence that he isn't getting the full picture from his advisors, if this is true then that also plays a role.
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According to him which i can't verify but belive him he is being hunted by nationalists.
He was living in kiev in a hotel where he live streamed which streams have been used by a russian news station without his knowledge showing proof that the claims of ukrains are invalid.
So one time when he came back to the hotel an older lady who worked as receptionists stopped him and told him in russian/ukrainian which he doesn't understand something about banderista and showing him to︀ run.So he instantly left and saw some stuff which basicly confirmed the claim of the︁ lady and at the same night later a call from his hotel neighboor with who︂ he had good relations that there where a bunch of bullies knocking on the door︃ very loud.
So his family left ukraine and since he went to kharkov.
He also︄ showed proof that some other influencers and even a major from an ukrainian city have︅ been catched for showing stuff ukrainian nationalists didn't liked.
Struck has been shot death into︆ his head and througn out of a car in the city center where he was︇ major (neutral/pro to russian) in a city where majority are russians.
So since then he︈ is in kharkov and i don't know for what reasons but he deletes his live︉ streams him walking through the city after a day.Maybe some security messearment i don't understand.︊
Of course its his site of the story but which is very likly possible when︋ you look what happened to other influencers in ukraine
you are aware majority living there are russians ?
He was living in kiev in a hotel where he live streamed which streams have been used by a russian news station without his knowledge showing proof that the claims of ukrains are invalid.
So one time when he came back to the hotel an older lady who worked as receptionists stopped him and told him in russian/ukrainian which he doesn't understand something about banderista and showing him to︀ run.So he instantly left and saw some stuff which basicly confirmed the claim of the︁ lady and at the same night later a call from his hotel neighboor with who︂ he had good relations that there where a bunch of bullies knocking on the door︃ very loud.
So his family left ukraine and since he went to kharkov.
He also︄ showed proof that some other influencers and even a major from an ukrainian city have︅ been catched for showing stuff ukrainian nationalists didn't liked.
Struck has been shot death into︆ his head and througn out of a car in the city center where he was︇ major (neutral/pro to russian) in a city where majority are russians.
So since then he︈ is in kharkov and i don't know for what reasons but he deletes his live︉ streams him walking through the city after a day.Maybe some security messearment i don't understand.︊
Of course its his site of the story but which is very likly possible when︋ you look what happened to other influencers in ukraine
you are aware majority living there are russians ?
I asked for facts regarding the allegations you made against me and you have given none. You said the below which is a complete lie as far as I can determine and I have given you a warning for this naked attempt at division bor&%#. It does not paint a good picture of yourself when you lie like this.
There is a "Report" link below every post that you can use︃ to report a post. I encourage you to use this function in future.
P.S I︄ have asked James to confirm if any posts were reported in case I am unable︅ to see them.
UPDATE: I have confirmed no reports you claim were made. I ask︆ you politely again to use "Report" function in future rather than lie to try and︇ get people in trouble. We are all adults here.
There is a "Report" link below every post that you can use︃ to report a post. I encourage you to use this function in future.
P.S I︄ have asked James to confirm if any posts were reported in case I am unable︅ to see them.
UPDATE: I have confirmed no reports you claim were made. I ask︆ you politely again to use "Report" function in future rather than lie to try and︇ get people in trouble. We are all adults here.
lol. you just ignore everything that is not in favor of topic you would like to discuss.
You are moderator here. You readed topic. Your obligation to moderate inappropriate content, which you do selective.
BTW, you made a warning not︀ to me, but for dreamer. As it only one mentioned word in this thread about︁ warnings.
that's why I don't want to continue discuss it with you and called James︂ number of messages above.
Asking 3rd party to invlove are the only reasonable way to︃ solve this issue.
You can't be objective judge for case where I am and you︄ in dispute and you have moderator privilege at same time.
Literally you are the policeman︅ which I've called to help because of a murder, but you tell me f**k off,︆ because watched on some guy who are just paining something with a pencil and you︇ think that he could paint swastica. And i'm going to call prosecutor/judge to confirm or︈ deny that you are doing something wrong. Hope you understand my allegory
you are too obsessed with 'report' button,
ignoring fact︌ that real problem with badly moderated content on the topic, but not how exactly violations︍ are reported
You are moderator here. You readed topic. Your obligation to moderate inappropriate content, which you do selective.
BTW, you made a warning not︀ to me, but for dreamer. As it only one mentioned word in this thread about︁ warnings.
that's why I don't want to continue discuss it with you and called James︂ number of messages above.
Asking 3rd party to invlove are the only reasonable way to︃ solve this issue.
You can't be objective judge for case where I am and you︄ in dispute and you have moderator privilege at same time.
Literally you are the policeman︅ which I've called to help because of a murder, but you tell me f**k off,︆ because watched on some guy who are just paining something with a pencil and you︇ think that he could paint swastica. And i'm going to call prosecutor/judge to confirm or︈ deny that you are doing something wrong. Hope you understand my allegory
you are too obsessed with 'report' button,
ignoring fact︌ that real problem with badly moderated content on the topic, but not how exactly violations︍ are reported
Who said that he wants the trust of a people in an occupied nation? Did the Soviet Union ever seek the trust of the people who they enslaved? Did pre-Soviet Russia ever seek the trust of people in occupied countries? No, the Russians terrorized them and even tried to destroy their culture and their languages.
Moreover, fighting in cities is notoriously the most dangerous︀ type of warfare for an invader. Putin does not have the manpower to undertake city︁ fighting in all the large cities of the second largest country in Europe. The only︂ way to take all those cities is to maximize both deaths and destruction to terrorize︃ the people into submission. BTW: That is also the long-standing standard Russian warfare tactic.
Moreover, fighting in cities is notoriously the most dangerous︀ type of warfare for an invader. Putin does not have the manpower to undertake city︁ fighting in all the large cities of the second largest country in Europe. The only︂ way to take all those cities is to maximize both deaths and destruction to terrorize︃ the people into submission. BTW: That is also the long-standing standard Russian warfare tactic.
For a 40 million country where︂ are the 100.000 thousands of deaths if he wants to destroy and kill them to︃ create fear ?
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/20/1087781833/ukraine-deaths-casualties
900 ......seems putin can't shoot
ukraine has way more deaths on︄ car accidents
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/20/1087781833/ukraine-deaths-casualties
900 ......seems putin can't shoot
ukraine has way more deaths on︄ car accidents
You got a warning for a blatant malicious lie against me that your not even bothering to deny....lol.
I have an opinion which a lot of people hate. The majority of people are rightly in support of Ukraine. I tried to balance the discussion rightly or wrongly with an opposing view. People take that to mean your some sort of Russian puppet if your︀ not blindly in support of Zelensky's actions.
Look everything I talked about regarding people protecting︁ their mental health in order to stop themselves becoming radicalized is true and applies to︂ you. Your spending an unhealthy amount of time on this thread and its affecting your︃ mind and your judgement. From telling a lie about me to trying to involve James︄ Spader.
Just chill out for a moment and take a break before you lose your︅ sanity. You will thank me one day.
I have an opinion which a lot of people hate. The majority of people are rightly in support of Ukraine. I tried to balance the discussion rightly or wrongly with an opposing view. People take that to mean your some sort of Russian puppet if your︀ not blindly in support of Zelensky's actions.
Look everything I talked about regarding people protecting︁ their mental health in order to stop themselves becoming radicalized is true and applies to︂ you. Your spending an unhealthy amount of time on this thread and its affecting your︃ mind and your judgement. From telling a lie about me to trying to involve James︄ Spader.
Just chill out for a moment and take a break before you lose your︅ sanity. You will thank me one day.
If you've gotten to the point of scaring people with warnings because of your fears in some public forum, what kind of gratitude can you be talking about?
First one for fake n**i propaganda,
Second one for some 'lie' because of poor moderated thread. I'm still wait for warning to 369 in case you strict to your position.
Your emotions betrayed you long before today's discussion,
when you ignored the deaths of thousands of people and the misfortune of millions, but︀ noted a lot about the Azov nazis. It was your first comments on this thread︁ meant that it's a what worries you about this war, not the lives of the︂ civilian people
First one for fake n**i propaganda,
Second one for some 'lie' because of poor moderated thread. I'm still wait for warning to 369 in case you strict to your position.
Your emotions betrayed you long before today's discussion,
when you ignored the deaths of thousands of people and the misfortune of millions, but︀ noted a lot about the Azov nazis. It was your first comments on this thread︁ meant that it's a what worries you about this war, not the lives of the︂ civilian people
ouch what a blatant lie again.
martin always expressed about his sadness of the civilians and that they are the true victims caused by both sides and that governments should focus on THEM.
So you clearly attack each and everything who doesn't support your limited point of view creating never ending lies to discredit
Don't get me wrong but isnt it in the psyop guideline if you can't push a topic to your side you discredit the authors of oppesed opinions ?
martin always expressed about his sadness of the civilians and that they are the true victims caused by both sides and that governments should focus on THEM.
So you clearly attack each and everything who doesn't support your limited point of view creating never ending lies to discredit
Don't get me wrong but isnt it in the psyop guideline if you can't push a topic to your side you discredit the authors of oppesed opinions ?
Your still not taking responsibility for the lie you told to put me in hot water....lol. You lied about me to James Spader so what else you lied about...lol? See your lie below doh948"". Who does this sort of thing but a desperate person...lol.
Again your lying about "ignoring". I just highlighted the intricacies of war and︆ the Azov Battalion which are neo n**i's armed by the west. These aint a group︇ or neo n**i's minding their own business they are part of military fighting and being︈ armed by west. I can express my displeasure over giving radical elements weapons without at︉ same time being unsympathetic to Ukraines displaced and killed. I have called for peace since︊ day one.
P.S Don't get so emotional and try an be logical in your thinking︋ it will prevent you from telling future lies based of emotions.
Oh and I called 369 out and asked him to present his source. He︍ did and the debate continued with others challenging it back and forth. Again if you︎ feel in future someone is out of pocket then use the "Report" button and don't️ lie you reported posts to me and complain to James Spader.....lol
If @Dreamy is happy to present his source of information confirming their is NO n**i's in Ukraine then I will happily take back what I said. Can't say more than that.
Again your lying about "ignoring". I just highlighted the intricacies of war and︆ the Azov Battalion which are neo n**i's armed by the west. These aint a group︇ or neo n**i's minding their own business they are part of military fighting and being︈ armed by west. I can express my displeasure over giving radical elements weapons without at︉ same time being unsympathetic to Ukraines displaced and killed. I have called for peace since︊ day one.
P.S Don't get so emotional and try an be logical in your thinking︋ it will prevent you from telling future lies based of emotions.
Oh and I called 369 out and asked him to present his source. He︍ did and the debate continued with others challenging it back and forth. Again if you︎ feel in future someone is out of pocket then use the "Report" button and don't️ lie you reported posts to me and complain to James Spader.....lol
If @Dreamy is happy to present his source of information confirming their is NO n**i's in Ukraine then I will happily take back what I said. Can't say more than that.
Armed by the west? Not really. Is the west supposed to say "sorry, until you︁ remove this army we will not give you any weapons"? They are a part of︂ Ukraine's army, not the west's.
You're saying you are for peace, I assume that means︃ that Zelenskyy should've given into their demands (give their territory and become neutral etc.)
I don't agree. You can't always just give in, especially when you know there will be︄ further aggression. Some Putin lovers here keep mentioning the interview of Zelenskyy's advisor where he︅ said there would be a war if they wanted to join NATO, but they never︆ mention the fact that he also said, if they didn't, they would get eaten up︇ by Russia in 10-12 years. I don't think he was wrong.
It's easy to say︈ you want peace. So does the ROC/Taiwan. Should they also get eaten up by their︉ neighbor? It's not so simple..
You're saying you are for peace, I assume that means︃ that Zelenskyy should've given into their demands (give their territory and become neutral etc.)
I don't agree. You can't always just give in, especially when you know there will be︄ further aggression. Some Putin lovers here keep mentioning the interview of Zelenskyy's advisor where he︅ said there would be a war if they wanted to join NATO, but they never︆ mention the fact that he also said, if they didn't, they would get eaten up︇ by Russia in 10-12 years. I don't think he was wrong.
It's easy to say︈ you want peace. So does the ROC/Taiwan. Should they also get eaten up by their︉ neighbor? It's not so simple..
#457 #459 messages are clear︉ reports and you should take action against it. Not with 'report' button, but still. These︊ messages are seeing for everyone in forum and you can't hide them, until delete by︋ yourself. Even after you blamed me with lying.
But what was your reaction for it?︌ Everyone saw. Good luck with your 'neutral' position.
I will not continue dialogue with you︍ on this, because it should be stopped even after msg #459 by your proper reaction,︎ not with this flame.
But what was your reaction for it?︌ Everyone saw. Good luck with your 'neutral' position.
I will not continue dialogue with you︍ on this, because it should be stopped even after msg #459 by your proper reaction,︎ not with this flame.
Thats a good question. Should west support and arm a Neo-n**i Battalion as long as they are against their enemy? Should the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" apply here? In end it comes down to moral values of those making the decision.
Is Zelensky negotiating something vastly different now?︁ Have not followed the latest news on this. I made the point that if he︂ does negotiate something similiar to what you mention then what has he achieved?
Keep in mind no one knows what happened behind the scenes or what was said.︉ For me the question of going to war is a last result when your life︊ is in danger and there is no other alternative. Whether they reached that point behind︋ the scenes I don't know. But then when you make that decision it is important︌ to assess your ability to win a war otherwise its plain suicide for honor and︍ sovereignty.
Taiwan is a province of China and is recognized as part of China by even US and most diplomatic missions globally. This is not the same situation unfortunately. Educate yourself n that matter before comparing.
Please use the "Report" button so we have a history of who reported what and when. It will then appear in the queue for staff. Don't be stubborn. Thank you thu&¤#.
Is Zelensky negotiating something vastly different now?︁ Have not followed the latest news on this. I made the point that if he︂ does negotiate something similiar to what you mention then what has he achieved?
Keep in mind no one knows what happened behind the scenes or what was said.︉ For me the question of going to war is a last result when your life︊ is in danger and there is no other alternative. Whether they reached that point behind︋ the scenes I don't know. But then when you make that decision it is important︌ to assess your ability to win a war otherwise its plain suicide for honor and︍ sovereignty.
Taiwan is a province of China and is recognized as part of China by even US and most diplomatic missions globally. This is not the same situation unfortunately. Educate yourself n that matter before comparing.
Please use the "Report" button so we have a history of who reported what and when. It will then appear in the queue for staff. Don't be stubborn. Thank you thu&¤#.
Martin, with all the due respect. Are you f*** serious? You are literally making a fool out of yourself.
Taiwan is a part of the Republic of China, not People's Republic of China, the china that you know. The ROC fled to Taiwan and the PRC took over the mainland, thus there are currently 2 Chinas. Almost every country recognizes ROC & Taiwan but︀ cannot formally have ties with the ROC due to the PRC's diplomacy.
I suggest YOU︁ educate yourself first. I'm quite amazed at what you're typing here.
Taiwan is a part of the Republic of China, not People's Republic of China, the china that you know. The ROC fled to Taiwan and the PRC took over the mainland, thus there are currently 2 Chinas. Almost every country recognizes ROC & Taiwan but︀ cannot formally have ties with the ROC due to the PRC's diplomacy.
I suggest YOU︁ educate yourself first. I'm quite amazed at what you're typing here.
What part of Province of China don't you understand? Oh︀ you want to play semantics 🙄 . You maybe want to read up on the "One︁ China Policy" which the US supports like I said 🙄.
https://www.republicworld.com/world...d-not-taiwans-independence-chinese-media.html
P.S Notice you never︂ replied to my questions. The rage enveloped you I guess after reading my logical responses︃ to your points 😉.
https://www.republicworld.com/world...d-not-taiwans-independence-chinese-media.html
P.S Notice you never︂ replied to my questions. The rage enveloped you I guess after reading my logical responses︃ to your points 😉.
"One-China Policy" does not say that the Free zone of ROC is controlled by the PRC.
Historically both governments acknowledged the one china policy but there was no definition of who is the legitimate government of that so called "China". In reality, the governments were split into two, the communist, and the nationalist government (KMT). Today, the ROC is vastly different from the︀ ROC that fled to Taiwan. It's a democracy now, and the one china policy is︁ something that may be given up, just because there is no way that in the︂ near future, the ROC will somehow become the government of mainland China. The DPP rejects︃ the one china principle, which I think is the right way to go about it.︄
Regarding the US policy, it's incredibly vague. It's not as simple as you think.
"the United States strongly opposes unilateral efforts to change the status quo or undermine peace and︅ stability across the Taiwan Strait" AKA, keep the 2 Chinas and their territories as they︆ are right now. The US does not say that Taiwan should be governed by PRC︇ and they have a right to invade it or anything like that.
Try and see︈ what happens if the PRC goes in and establishes a military presence in the ROC,︉ you'll see countries quickly condemning it. The one china principle is not something that countries︊ agree with, they just kind of have to say on paper that they agree with︋ it.
I really don't understand you here, aren't you one for peace and all? Yet︌ you are literally talking like a PRC China bot lol. Super weird.
??? what?
Historically both governments acknowledged the one china policy but there was no definition of who is the legitimate government of that so called "China". In reality, the governments were split into two, the communist, and the nationalist government (KMT). Today, the ROC is vastly different from the︀ ROC that fled to Taiwan. It's a democracy now, and the one china policy is︁ something that may be given up, just because there is no way that in the︂ near future, the ROC will somehow become the government of mainland China. The DPP rejects︃ the one china principle, which I think is the right way to go about it.︄
Regarding the US policy, it's incredibly vague. It's not as simple as you think.
"the United States strongly opposes unilateral efforts to change the status quo or undermine peace and︅ stability across the Taiwan Strait" AKA, keep the 2 Chinas and their territories as they︆ are right now. The US does not say that Taiwan should be governed by PRC︇ and they have a right to invade it or anything like that.
Try and see︈ what happens if the PRC goes in and establishes a military presence in the ROC,︉ you'll see countries quickly condemning it. The one china principle is not something that countries︊ agree with, they just kind of have to say on paper that they agree with︋ it.
I really don't understand you here, aren't you one for peace and all? Yet︌ you are literally talking like a PRC China bot lol. Super weird.
??? what?
Sorry why are we discussing China on this thread 🙄. Do you want to just create a distraction cause you cannot answer my questions I replied with....lol? 😉
P.S Create a new thread if you want to discuss China and we can do so there. I thought this thread was about Ukraine conflict 🙁.
P.S Create a new thread if you want to discuss China and we can do so there. I thought this thread was about Ukraine conflict 🙁.
What questions did you want to ask me? That the Ukrainian president is negotiating peace terms? From what I've seen there has been like 4 times that negotiations have been made and Russia has promised to "reduce military operations" or whatever, and then explosions are heard immediately. I don't think either side is taking peace︀ talks seriously at this point.
If there are other questions, please ask away. Don't try︁ to say I'm trying to distract you or anything when I'm one of the most︂ responsive people here on this thread. If I missed anything, that's my bad but you︃ can't accuse me of "trying to cause a distraction" or whatever.
If there are other questions, please ask away. Don't try︁ to say I'm trying to distract you or anything when I'm one of the most︂ responsive people here on this thread. If I missed anything, that's my bad but you︃ can't accuse me of "trying to cause a distraction" or whatever.
Lol...see below 4 questions I asked. Your obviously in a fit of rage and didn't bother to read what I wrote. Chill for a minute....ll
P.S I will be︀ away shortly so don't take my silence as not responding to what you replied with.︁ I will read when back thu&¤#
P.S I will be︀ away shortly so don't take my silence as not responding to what you replied with.︁ I will read when back thu&¤#
To me it seemed like there were not questions that I was supposed to answer to but, okay. I like how you are somehow claiming that I'm in a "fit of rage" because I don't agree with you. But hey, that's your way of discussing.
I'm not the one here accusing you of not responding/trying to distract. I understand︁ that.
Not an easy answer. I︄ think some of the people in Azov are quite unhinged and I wonder how they'll︅ be if the Ukrainian government tries to disarm them... However, there is a war and︆ it's not really a time for cherrypicking... there's even foreigners coming in to fight..
"enemy of my enemy is my friend" Every nation that's involved definitely is applying this. If︇ it can solve the conflict probably. But If Ukraine is successful after this war, I︈ think Azov should be put to rest. Either stop the stupid neo-n**i stuff or leave.︉
As I︊ said, his advisors have said that it was basically, either given in to the demands︋ and risk being annexed by Russia completely, or give it a try and hopefully join︌ NATO.
I don't know really, but I don't think they're about to give in to︍ the Russians demands, especially when they still seem to be doing ok fending off the︎ invaders.
Nothing. That's why I think he's not gonna be relying on those negotiations.
I'm not the one here accusing you of not responding/trying to distract. I understand︁ that.
Not an easy answer. I︄ think some of the people in Azov are quite unhinged and I wonder how they'll︅ be if the Ukrainian government tries to disarm them... However, there is a war and︆ it's not really a time for cherrypicking... there's even foreigners coming in to fight..
"enemy of my enemy is my friend" Every nation that's involved definitely is applying this. If︇ it can solve the conflict probably. But If Ukraine is successful after this war, I︈ think Azov should be put to rest. Either stop the stupid neo-n**i stuff or leave.︉
As I︊ said, his advisors have said that it was basically, either given in to the demands︋ and risk being annexed by Russia completely, or give it a try and hopefully join︌ NATO.
I don't know really, but I don't think they're about to give in to︍ the Russians demands, especially when they still seem to be doing ok fending off the︎ invaders.
Nothing. That's why I think he's not gonna be relying on those negotiations.
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