Impossible statelessness good or bad?

[OffshoreMonero]

Okay, for people who were born in the USA you can renounce your citizenship without providing any proof that you have citizenship elsewhere. You can just drop it at any time. I envy you.

I was born in a country that signed onto that Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness treaty, so I don't have that option. If I renounce my citizenship I have to prove I have one elsewhere, and if I then renounce that one the country of my birth will step in and force me back into citizenship with them. There's no escape.

So here's my question:

They say "the true test of a free society is your ability to leave it" (a legal maxim I read years ago somewhere), yet they have roped me in without my permission.

These things were decided before I even existed. I didn't consent. How can any of this be morally good or justifiable?

Thoughts?

P.S. Moral discussion only. The whole "it's hard to live stateless" is another issue.

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[JohnnyDoe]

I agree. You could start a human rights case if you have a million $ or so to waste and a lot of free time. Otherwise, for much less just buy a second citizenship where this nonsense doesn't apply, renounce the first one and then the second.

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[BlackJack]

In my opinion you're just trying to figure out the picture looking at it from‌ 1 inch.
Take the last G20 summit. What comes from it?
Nothing BUT the will,‍ signed from EVERYONE, that will introduce new restrictions due to FUTURE pademics (they already know⁠ it will be, and will need a vaccine...).

So what is the end? You have⁤ to fight for you rights, even if someone's died ages, centuries ago, to "grant" those.⁣
But elites keep trying to control crowds, time passes...history is a good teacher but with⁢ no students..

And what you can do?
You accept it, or not. Easy.
This seems︀ someone who would follow the second path:

https://reclaimthenet.org/accine-passport-prevention-act/

 

[OffshoreMonero]

Sadly, this doesn't‍ work. It has been tried before. 🙁

So you resist it and educate others? I guess that's⁢ all we have left.

 

[Martin Everson]

Sadly your stuck.

 

[void]

if you don't intend to ever get back to your home country your "death" in‌ foreign country could help you with little bit of creativity... 🙂
sounds crazy, but not far‍ from considering becoming stateless
I'd start with another passport in a country that allows you⁠ to change your name.

 

[OffshoreMonero]

Funny, because I was looking into that a few years‍ ago in Cyprus.

I wanted to get citizenship, renounce my birth citizenship, and then do⁠ a legal name change in Cyprus. That was as far as I had planned. I⁤ guess I could swim in shark-infested water and never return? lol

Unfortunately criminals ruined this⁣ for everyone. Anyone remember "The Cyprus Papers"? (Link posted below / interesting video⁢ included)

The Cyprus Papers

This is︀ probably why I became an anarchist many years ago.

 

[Summer King]

I've always wondered: why start︅ a story, description or question with "okay, "?

 

[StuartG]

"sadly this‍ doesn't work" - why not?

 

[OffshoreMonero]

Okay, it's fun that way.

It has been attempted a few times in the⁠ past. The birthplace citizenship is eventually restored.