How to make bitcoin untraceable?

Joukilop said:
Sorry to say, but what's ur saying is wrong about my message.

If you use BTC -> XMR -> ETH (or any other crypto) with different amont $

Example :

I bridge 1000$ (BTC) -> 1000$ (XMR)
Then 600$ (XMR) -> 600$ (ETH)
Then 400$ (XMR) -> 400$ (ETH)

You are 100% anonymous. None can find you. never. ever!!!
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This seems to be the best solution for small volumes and bypass algorithms.
 
EU220 said:
This seems to be the best solution for small volumes and bypass algorithms.
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Perhaps, maybe not there yet, and depending on your rizikoprofil. Attempt to by-pass algorithms is detected by themselves. This is explained profoundly by @gh0p in post #16.

Jorozey said:
When filling out the declaration of origin of the funds, your accountant fills in "Proceeds from the sale or exchange of shares, shares, compensatory instruments, investment bonds and other financial assets" and acquisition price 0. You will pay X% gains tax on the entire amount depending on what the % gain tax is in your country but you will receive the money by bank transfer and this is your best option to continue spending them legally.
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That still doesn't solve the problem but complicates it with false records.

Jorozey said:
You hope it never gets there. I know a certain amount of people with these concerns, so far I have not heard any of them having a problem.
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I don't hope. I plan and anticipate.

Some matters that are intrically grey or dark should never be shared with anybody as it can be a bumerang of compromise while you enjoy in a sunny beach with a coctail in one hand and cold metal on the wrist of another hand. As @jafo states always - there are no mutes in prison.

I never understood people who use public services for grey and dark matters. First of all, it should not be public. It's like putting your self in line for sentencing 🙄
 
mraleph said:
That still doesn't solve the problem but complicates it with false records.
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Actually, it works completely legally here in Bulgaria.

mraleph said:
I don't hope. I plan and anticipate.

Some matters that are intrically grey or dark should never be shared with anybody as it can be a bumerang of compromise while you enjoy in a sunny beach with a coctail in one hand and cold metal on the wrist of another hand. As @jafo states always - there are no mutes in prison.

I never understood people who use public services for grey and dark matters. First of all, it should not be public. It's like putting your self in line for sentencing 🙄
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I don't think I've written anything grey/dark/illegal here yet😀, but PM me with details of your concerns if I can be of any help. thu&¤#


clemens said:
It is this one ?
https://wasabimixer.net/
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Yes, but they are leaving the mixing sector amid intensifying enforcement actions from US authorities in the coming months. So they are no longer an option.
 
Jorozey said:
I don't think I've written anything grey/dark/illegal here yet😀, but PM me with details of your concerns if I can be of any help. thu&¤#
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now you can help if someone need smaller amounts to disappear i.e. 30K 50K euro ?
 
wellington said:
WEIDONG GUAN
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There are your SNITCHES right there! The unindicted co-conspirators who ratted out Weidong Guan for a reward of up to 25% to 30% of the total loot (or just a reduction of sentence or eliminating the "competition." dev56"""

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Source: Federal Audit: Confidential Sources Received Millions In Forfeiture Funds For Helping DEA Seize Cash

Just so you ALL know, right now, the feds, especially the IRS, are offering 35% REWARD of the crypto ANYONE successfully helps them seize/confiscate. This is NOT limited to the US, either! Other countries/governments (read criminal gang members) are "hot for free crypto."

That's why telling anyone how much crypto you own is a VERY BAD idea. All the feds need is a testimony! Don't worry...they have plenty of jailhouse snitches who are willing to testify against ANY of us for a piece of the loot or a reduction of sentence.

Once that judge orders you to surrender your crypto funds, and you don't or can't, get ready for a long stint in prison. @Martin Everson published something similar a few days ago, but regarding overseas banks: IRS: Refusal To Repatriate Offshore Money in Swiss bank and what happens

Remember, this is NOT new.... the IRS (USA) paid Bradley Birkenfeld US$ 104 Million, and THAT money NO bank or compliance officer will request SOF/SOW for lest they want to get a trip to Guantanamo. ca#"!
Why did the US pay this former Swiss banker $104M?

If you want to get crypto or FIAT that NO bank or compliance officer will ever question...get a snitching reward "job" from the feds (or any other criminal gang member...sorry...I meant "government.") ca#"!

I'm sort of a misanthrope, so I can't be of any "assistance." 😉

Two can keep a secret.webp



There are NO mutes in Prison! EVER!

PS. You all probably thought that you needed to watch out for muggers and burglars, who are supposed to be your biggest threats, according to "law enforcement." smi(&%

Law enforcement stole more stuff from people than burglars did last year.webp



Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/
and it's ONLY gotten worse stupi#21


No wonder many cops are making beaucoup SALARIES from the investments, sweats, and fruits of OUR labor: There is a police officer in SF who made $356,000 dollars last year just in “overtime pay”, and he's not the Chief of Police, he's a Sergeant in the Richmond District. He made a total of $587,000 in the 2022/23 fiscal year, and he's not much of an anomaly, there are dozens of SF cops making more than double their base wages in overtime pay, and well over a hundred cops making six figures in overtime.
 
Joukilop said:
You just have to use 2 differents bridges.

One for move your crypto to XMR,

Then an another one XMR -> ETH (for example)


EDIT : use different amont each time.
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Yeah I would say it is the way to do it. There are various methods in other threads described too. It is not impossible to let your BTC disappear.
 
gh0p said:
Swapping BTC to XMR to BTC (or other coin) can be good for low/lower medium risk operations if done with correct techniques, one of which mentioned by the commentator above.

BTC > XMR > BTC/ETH/USDT doesn't guarantee true anonymity but it can confuse the court room making it very hard to prove.

If your goal is not to enter one then this is not the way as there are many other factors to consider. As wellington mentioned there is also an issue of receiving dirty/tainted coins which is more likely to happen with a no kyc method such as atomic swaps.
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gh0p said:
Just because you have discovered a method used for some time that doesn't mean there is no flaw in it. Usually you find out when it is too late. As I said there are many other factors to consider if one decides to use this way from multiple angles like OS-specific, network-specific, coin-specific and so on.
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Why doesn't it offer true anonymity to swap for XMR? What are the risks you are seeing? Getting dirty money yourself or something closer to being detected using some kind of fingerprint techniques?

However, if one just exchanges his crypto to fiat for spending, that can be another option? It is hard to prove in court that you still have access to this wallet or that you were the one who spent the coins for cash. You can have lost control of it.
 
jafo said:
smi(&% rof/%

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There are your SNITCHES right there! The unindicted co-conspirators who ratted out Weidong Guan for a reward of up to 25% to 30% of the total loot (or just a reduction of sentence or eliminating the "competition." dev56"""

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Source: Federal Audit: Confidential Sources Received Millions In Forfeiture Funds For Helping DEA Seize Cash

Just so you ALL know, right now, the feds, especially the IRS, are offering 35% REWARD of the crypto ANYONE successfully helps them seize/confiscate. This is NOT limited to the US, either! Other countries/governments (read criminal gang members) are "hot for free crypto."

That's why telling anyone how much crypto you own is a VERY BAD idea. All the feds need is a testimony! Don't worry...they have plenty of jailhouse snitches who are willing to testify against ANY of us for a piece of the loot or a reduction of sentence.

Once that judge orders you to surrender your crypto funds, and you don't or can't, get ready for a long stint in prison. @Martin Everson published something similar a few days ago, but regarding overseas banks: IRS: Refusal To Repatriate Offshore Money in Swiss bank and what happens

Remember, this is NOT new.... the IRS (USA) paid Bradley Birkenfeld US$ 104 Million, and THAT money NO bank or compliance officer will request SOF/SOW for lest they want to get a trip to Guantanamo. ca#"!
Why did the US pay this former Swiss banker $104M?

If you want to get crypto or FIAT that NO bank or compliance officer will ever question...get a snitching reward "job" from the feds (or any other criminal gang member...sorry...I meant "government.") ca#"!

I'm sort of a misanthrope, so I can't be of any "assistance." 😉

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There are NO mutes in Prison! EVER!

PS. You all probably thought that you needed to watch out for muggers and burglars, who are supposed to be your biggest threats, according to "law enforcement." smi(&%

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Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/
and it's ONLY gotten worse stupi#21


No wonder many cops are making beaucoup SALARIES from the investments, sweats, and fruits of OUR labor: There is a police officer in SF who made $356,000 dollars last year just in “overtime pay”, and he's not the Chief of Police, he's a Sergeant in the Richmond District. He made a total of $587,000 in the 2022/23 fiscal year, and he's not much of an anomaly, there are dozens of SF cops making more than double their base wages in overtime pay, and well over a hundred cops making six figures in overtime.
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very good insight.
Even this post alone teaches more about the how the world really works than xx years in government schools.
 
Only way to have private bitcoin is

1) Buy it direct from small time miners (in non-trackable payments)
2) use some of the elements above but eventually get swept up in a a criminal case by tainted coins.
 
wellington said:
Only way to have private bitcoin is

1) Buy it direct from small time miners (in non-trackable payments)
2) use some of the elements above but eventually get swept up in a a criminal case by tainted coins.
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Is there a big risk of getting tainted coins on decentralized exchanges?
 
some good threads you want to have a look at:
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Thread 'Large imcoming in Exodus wallet'

Jan 23, 2023
Hi Guys,

If i were to recieve a large incoming crypto payment into my exodus wallet, what potential risks do I have to consider?

I am not aware where the sender will sent from.

Thanks for any input.
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Thread 'Binance P2P disqualification (How to get it back)??'

Dec 21, 2022
Hello,

We have been a merchant on Binance for several months, but a few days ago our merchant account was closed, when we contact the support, they told us that it was due to a violation of the terms and this decision is final.
Is there any way to get our merchant back?

If anyone can help we are willing to pay for that?

very interesting:
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Thread 'KYC Exchange funds to non-KYC wallet'

May 8, 2021
Hi Freebirds

A friend made gains on crypto, with most funds being on 1 exchange. Unaware of the risks, tax consequences and privacy importance. He now finds out things seem to be quite complicated and a unfavorable possibly 30-50% tax seems to be around the corner.

Asking me to help, we are exploring options. Current trajectory is looking to move funds from the KYC exchange to a non-KYC wallet in a way the funds cannot be linked anymore to the identity once they are on the non-KYC wallet. The exchange used is tight on KYC and even requires to verify the receiving wallet. So First a KYC...

Revoltec said:
Is there a big risk of getting tainted coins on decentralized exchanges?
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yes, there is, since you have to check the coins received manually by your self on the blockchain.
 
I did some more research and seems like the lightning network gives you quite a bit of privacy and there are some theories that one can un-KYC their Bitcoins by using the lightning network.

Does anyone know more about this? Is this a way to un-KYC Bitcoins but still having SoF?
 
gh0p said:
Don't use mixers of any sort. The only thing you are doing is dirtying up your coins.
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I've read about this a few times, and I have to admit it made me a bit nervous. However, so far, we've moved around $300,000 through crypto mixers and never had any issues converting the mixed crypto into FIAT. So, how big this problem really is, I have no idea.

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This thread really contains some great information. It should be made accessible to everyone since understanding how to use crypto anonymously is important. On the flip side, I do recognize that not everyone needs to know how to anonymize their bitcoins.
 
bubbledouble said:
This thread really contains some great information. It should be made accessible to everyone since understanding how to use crypto anonymously is important. On the flip side, I do recognize that not everyone needs to know how to anonymize their bitcoins.
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its better these things stay inside the paid forums as todays global communist climate is really hostile against any form of privacy.
 
yeah such information should stay in the mentor group forums and not be posted in the public forums.
 
Revoltec said:
I did some more research and seems like the lightning network gives you quite a bit of privacy and there are some theories that one can un-KYC their Bitcoins by using the lightning network.

Does anyone know more about this? Is this a way to un-KYC Bitcoins but still having SoF?
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So from what i understand. The first transaction (opening of the channel) from your onchain BTC wallet to your lightening address can be tracked onchain. But if you than have your btc on the lightening network and send it to 2-3 other lightening addresses and then back to an on-chain BTC address this is very very hard if not impossible to track. Correct me if i'm wrong. Reading "mastering the lightening network" is on my list.
 
ceptev said:
I've been in the iptv business for a bit and I want to make sure my satoshis aren't traceable back to me.. I know it's difficult to trace, but I've read it's not impossible?

I've been using a non-kyc payment gateway for btc payments. Then I've transferred the funds from there to my btc wallet. I've also paid for servers etc using by wallet.
So how should I proceed before I cash them out?
I was thinking of using a public exchanger, swap my btc into XMR and send them to my Monero wallet, then swap them back to BTC and send them to a new and clean wallet before i cash out.
That would render them completely untracable, right?
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Monero is delisted from all regulated exchanges so, you'll not be able to use it

Zcash transactions between shielded addresses are private. People will not be able to trace back to the BTC to Zcash conversion.

Zcash addresses are either private (z-addresses) or public also known as transparent (t-addresses).

As it was mentioned before, your output crypto should not be your input crypto because The onlookers match identical BTC amounts while browsing the blockchain and then, they start investigating.

Aditionnally, BTC addresses belonging to regulated exchanges are known in the blockchain. For instance: A binance btc wallet is known to be from Binance, Thus, someone can contact binance and ask binance "who is the holder of this BTC wallet".

Coin mixer can be banned and btc can be frozen. I would not play with coin mixer, you could lose everything.

Steps using ZCASH - short solution
  1. convert BTC to transparent ZCASH address
  2. Use an unregulated official zcash wallet to send zec from transparent address to shielded address.
  3. Use an unregulated official zcash wallet to send shielded address to another shielded address. => here onlookers will lose track of your transactions.
  4. Transfer zcash to Gemini regulated exchange since they accept Zcash from shielded address. it is the only one and i don't know how long it will last
  5. convert in fiat
steps using ZCASH - long solution using binance and kraken at the end
  1. convert BTC to transparent ZCASH address (t1xxx) - regulated kyc exchange like kraken
  2. Use an unregulated official zcash wallet to send zec from transparent address to shielded address. (zxxx)
  3. Use an unregulated official zcash wallet to send shielded address to another shielded address. => here onlookers will lose track of your transactions.
  4. Unshield your ZEC by transfering your zec from a shielded address to a transparent address in smaller amounts. VERY important = fragment your amount in small amounts to prevent bots to track matching amounts in the zcash blockchain.
  5. Send from the transparent address to binance or kraken transparent address
  6. convert in fiat, eth

Use a Wallet That Supports Shielded Transactions:

  • ✅ YWallet (Recommended, fast, low fees)
  • ✅ ZecWallet (Desktop)
  • ✅ Nighthawk Wallet (Mobile)
  • ✅ Zashi Wallet

Since regulated exchanges like kraken binance kucoin do not support direct shielded (z-addr) transactions, you need to first unshield your ZEC using a Zcash-compatible wallet before sending it to an exchange that allows trading without KYC.

Fragmentation:
Transfer the zcash in smaller amounts to avoid onlookers to look up for maching values on the Zcash blockain. Let me explain
if input t-address value equals z-address value equals z-address value equals output t-address value, then input t-address value equals output t-address value. This means that in the zcash blockchain investigators could see matching values and determine that the addresses belong to the same person (you).
So, from the z address you must send the amount in smaller amounts to the t address
To convert shielded ZEC (z-addr) to transparent ZEC (t-addr), follow these steps:


From your conversion on a regulated exchange like binance, people may track back up to the wallet that helped you to unshield the last Zcash but then, they will be unable to go further since the transfers between shielded addresses aren't public. Nobody can see them. So, in the eyes, of the regulated crypto exchange, it is ok, because it comes from a transparent address. I don't think binance bots will look up upstream of the transparent crypto exchange.

I repeat what was said before. Don't post such information outside the mentor group.
In 2023 and 2024, Zcash war nearly banned from all regulated exchanges, now, the regulated exchanges seem to be ok with the two address type solution. It seems like the regulated exchange Gemini is the only regulated exchange that accepts zec from shielded zcash addresses.

So it could simplify the process by using Gemini exchange. However, i don't know if it will still last long because binance and kraken banned users from receiving zec from shielded addresses.

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