2 EU passports with different names

[bigbite100]

Hello, imagine you have a passport of 2 EU countries.

But they are on different names...
a) only different first name but last name stays
b) first and last name are both different

Any advantages of a) or b)? Since many in this forum talke about airport biometric scanninc and so on - so even with new name and surname, you are not a "new person without any history" - right?

Any other advantage of having a second passport (which is always good) but also with a different name like explained on a) or b) ?

Thankk you!

 

[JohnnyDoe]

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[void]

bigbite100 said:
Hello, imagine you have a passport of 2 EU countries.

But they are on different names...
a) only different first name but last name stays
b) first and last name are both different

Any advantages of a) or b)? Since many in this forum talke about airport biometric scanninc and so on - so even with new name and surname, you are not a "new person without any history" - right?

Any other advantage of having a second passport (which is always good) but also with a different name like explained on a) or b) ?

Thankk you!
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first of all, there is nothing peculiar about having different name in different passports - making the name more suitable for using in another country/culture is plausible explanation

one practical use case for second passport with another name is for signing up with services that don't want you to have more than one account (sports betting or poker sites, both brick and mortar and online casinos, EMI's, etc.) - the name will almost always do the job for these "soft" use cases

 

[bigbite100]

void said:
first of all, there is nothing peculiar about having different name in different passports - making the name more suitable for using in another country/culture is plausible explanation

one practical use case for second passport with another name is for signing up with services that don't want you to have more than one account (sports betting or poker sites, both brick and mortar and online casinos, EMI's, etc.) - the name will almost always do the job for these "soft" use cases
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Thank you for the reply. any "hard" use cases? i guess its not like that you are a new born person and can do (and move) like you want with this other passport?

 

[bigbite100]

JohnnyDoe said:
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because of neutralization, is that correct? @JohnnyDoe

 

[JohnnyDoe]

bigbite100 said:
because of neutralization, is that correct? @JohnnyDoe
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Because popo doesn't like non straightforward situations and you can't know what data of yours they already have.

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[bigbite100]

JohnnyDoe said:
Because popo doesn't like non straightforward situations and you can't know what data of yours they already have.
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but how would they know? because of airport cameras? since you enter with different name (differnt person?) ?

 

[Sols]

Never give border control officers any reason to think you're anything but an average person passing through. Be normal. They have access to an incredible amount of data and they have a lot of powers to ruin your day, if they suspect you're up to no good.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.

 

[void]

bigbite100 said:
Thank you for the reply. any "hard" use cases?
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no, I'm totally with @Sols and @JohnnyDoe on this

 

[Forester]

bigbite100 said:
but how would they know? because of airport cameras? since you enter with different name (differnt person?) ?
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There are many, many cameras at many places, many of them connected (directly or indirectly) to an unknown number of databases. (I am talking about Europe, e.g. China is apparently much worse.) Add to this all the biometric screening at airports and/or borders.
Then, having read @JohnnyDoe, @void and @Sols posts, make your own conclusion 😉

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[myshufflemix]

JohnnyDoe said:
You will win endless hours of amusement inside the police station
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OP, you should listen to this, unless you really prefer spending time with the police rather than at your destination.

 

[FATCA]

Sols said:
border control officers have access to an incredible amount of data
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Like what?

 

[daniels27]

FATCA said:
Like what?
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Schengen Information System

 

[FATCA]

daniels27 said:
Schengen Information System
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That's not incredible amount of data

 

[cryptofriendly]

For everyone interested in this kind of thing, I just learned that with the Turkish CBI program,
one can choose a new Turkish name on the TR passport.

 

[cryptofriendly]

FATCA said:
Like what?
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Interpol database.
Little anecdote, at my last border crossing I even got a glimpse of the sticker with the password for accessing it,
which they just put on their monitor. Sadly, my short term memory isn't that what it once was.


Oh, and of course national immigration databases, criminal databases, terrorism watchlists, custom database, PNR records, and various bio-metric databases.

 

[FATCA]

cryptofriendly said:
Interpol database.
Little anecdote, at my last border crossing I even got a glimpse of the sticker with the password for accessing it,
which they just put on their monitor. Sadly, my short term memory isn't that what it once was.


Oh, and of course national immigration databases, criminal databases, terrorism watchlists, custom database, PNR records, and various bio-metric databases.
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What's in interpol db?
what is custom db?
various bio-metric databases? what is that? You remind me of the times I used to write essays with minimum word count

 

[daniels27]

FATCA said:
What's in interpol db?
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I think he is referring to this one
https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Databases
https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Databases/SLTD-database-travel-and-identity-documents
https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Border-management/Frontline-database-access

FATCA said:
what is custom db?
various bio-metric databases? what is that?
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He probably is talking about such databases
https://www.statewatch.org/frontex-...-power/3-frontex-and-interoperable-databases/

FATCA said:
You remind me of the times I used to write essays with minimum word count
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Good times, huh?

 

[cryptofriendly]

FATCA said:
What's in interpol db?
what is custom db?
various bio-metric databases? what is that? You remind me of the times I used to write essays with minimum word count
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Sorry, I meant 'customs db', that will flag you for a 'random' check if you got a history of with them.
Interpol and biometric? https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Forensics/Biometric-Hub
It's not the only one, there are so many more. Depends on country as well.

 

[0xDEADBEEF]

cryptofriendly said:
Sorry, I meant 'customs db', that will flag you for a 'random' check if you got a history of with them.
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I can confirm this from personal experience, having had some encounters with customs in a few countries, including in the EU. Ever since the first run-ins, custom agents tend to notice me and check me the majority of the time. It seems to be country-specific though, as I've had this happen at multiple airports within the same country but not elsewhere in the EU.

Almost all customs agents are a hybrid of tax leeches and overzealous law enforcement with a burning desire to flex their authority at your expense. Armed with a Napoleon complex and too much free time, they'll seize any excuse to make your trip miserable. Don't give them a single reason to latch onto you.