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This is not true at all. Many banks will not touch your money if they⁠ are aware you are evading foreign capital controls. This applies to HSBC and a few⁤ others I have dealt with in past. Even Standard Int Bank In Puerto Rico lost⁣ Fedwire access because for this back in day. The bank was a pure vehicle to⁢ help Chinese avoid capital controls and bank has now disappeared naturally.

We discussed this already︀ in another thread with how Russian's used mirror trading to avoid controls and move RUB︁ to EUR (and USD) outside the country and how Deutsche bank was fined $630m -︂ even Danske bank got in trouble.

Whether you like it or not its an illicit︃ money flow and banks have an obligation to avoid aiding and abetting such actions.

They will just close if your not a private banking customer. A︆ bank is not gonna risk it all for a 5 euro swift fee to help︇ you with a complex transaction unless it is economically viable and reputational ok to do.︈
 
Thank you. Basically I am getting two views on the matter from this︃ thread:
i) try to hid the transactions through crypto, small transactions, collateralized loans, various accounts︄ etc
ii) be transparent, it should be fine, declare taxes, and move on

A friend of mine (who used to deal a lot with crypto and OTC) told⁠ me to be semi-transparent in this sense:
- mention your source of fund (inheritance)
- mention P2P transactions as a much easier/cheaper channel, don't mention capital controls "I got a⁤ better rate sir"
 
When it comes to banks deal with⁤ them on a "need to know basis". Don't give over more than is necessary i.e⁣ talk to them like your Donald Trump in court. If it works then you may⁢ be fine. If it does not then your in for a rough ride.

What you︀ say above will likely work but not something I would personally do.
 
That's because they have correspondence risk.

Like i said : Local -> Tether/other⁤ -> Local.

the correspondence banking is then Tether which Tether are not liable for, meaning⁣ there is no liability (grapple points) apart from the end capital control evader.

No bank⁢ will risk their business interests domestically when acting as a corresponding bank.

The US absolutely︀ loves this as Tether/Circle is backed by their debt, the EU is just resentful as︁ no demand for their debt exists in the stable-coin market hence the low supply of︂ EURC (or EURT etc).

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You think the US is not happy that the 3rd︃ world is rushing to USD stable-coins ? knowing full well there would be capital control︄ violations in those said group of countries? - if it was on the other foot︅ they'd put in place restrictions/barriers/laws quickly etc.

For now some 100 billion $ of debt︆ is held by Asians, Middle Easterners, Africans etc and that will only swell as more︇ demand for $'s grow as the instability in local economies grows.

Sorry this is wrong.

It is NOT illicit (derived from crime).

What is illicit capital?

Illicit financial flows refer︌ to the movement of money across borders that is illegal in its source (e.g. corruption,︍ smuggling), its transfer (e.g. tax evasion), or its use (e.g. terrorist financing).
 
I think his point is that the KYC guy will be too lazy to︉ investigate or appreciate the situation, regardless of the macro dynamics and US agenda..?
 
You can come to Dubai with the cash, there⁤ are authorized companies that will take the cash and give you manager's cheque, that can⁣ be deposited if you open a bank account.
If you're interested in Real Estate, there⁢ are still some developers that are accepting cash.
If it's crypto, you can do full︀ cryto payment to property, then flip it and get cash.
There are a lot of︁ legal ways that you can still use cash in Dubai.
 
No, you will go through KYC/AML as standard, the US is just an‍ example, as a European you merely do

Local currency -> USDT/equiv -> Exchange (europe) ->⁠ Domestic bank.

You have all the paperwork to support the funds source you should provide⁤ that to the Exchange preemptively to get a green light, and also inform your bank⁣ before funds are sent to it..

Ensure you pay your taxes if any in source⁢ country, and ensure you pay your taxes in destination country if any.

Don't over complicate︀ that makes it appear questionable and will cause more issues.

As for source country, only︁ do this if you never intend to set foot back in the country, because they︂ may not have the power to go after you in Europe (that wants this investment︃ into the economy) but if you step back in Tunisia they may wish to set︄ an example.

Again i reiterate, pay your taxes in source and destination.
 
Thank you. I got "caught" with⁢ 2500 usd once (undeclared, I genuinely did not know). I had to write a letter︀ to the judge or something to explain that I was not aware of the capital︁ control situation. So travelling with cash to Dubai is impossible....
 
The US loves where tether/circle is going because soviegn demand for⁤ US debt is in decline (China, Russia, Japan, etc).

They need someone to hold their⁣ debt.

Plebs in the third world will gradually and increasingly buy stable-coins which hold US⁢ debt.

The US Security apparatus is just another plus (catch all for data gathering).

You will notice the US Gov have NEVER stated that people are violating capital controls in︀ third world nations and buying US Stablecoins. but gleefully discuss the idea stablecoins regulation will︁ provide fresh demand for holding US debt (which stops inflation hitting mainstreet).
 
Good and sound approach, and absolutely agreed.
"Domestic" bank is Revolut and they don't have︅ someone I should contact beforehand apprently, but I will ask the online support...🙂
 
I wouldn't park 300,000$ in revolut... go and open a local bank⁠ in your local town centre, and state you are receiving inheritance and provide documentation and⁤ authorisation.

It's not laundering because it's not illicit money.

Again i reiterate the following.

It is⁢ NOT illicit (derived from crime).

What is illicit capital?

Illicit financial flows refer to the movement of money across borders that is illegal in its source (e.g. corruption, smuggling), its︀ transfer (e.g. tax evasion), or its use (e.g. terrorist financing).

Capital Control violations︁ in the 3rd world to get wealth in to Europe isn't 'illicit finance'.

It's capital︂ flight, it happens every day in every part of the world derived from legitimate (presumed)︃ inheritance.

It's only illicit finance if its derived from corruption, smuggling, tax-evasion or to be︄ used for terrorist financing.
 
The crime was evasion of capital controls. Unless your saying its not an offense‍ to evade capital controls 😉.

In which case plenty of people locally will be able⁠ to help him legally if its not an offense.
 
The way you are talking Martin is that it would be illicit finance (laundering) for‌ me to sell my property for USDT/crypto and move funds out of my country to‍ another country.

As long as i paid the tax that money is mine, i've bought⁠ something and that something is then sold elsewhere.

As long as the tax is paid⁤ on both ends and the funds are not dirty, it is not illict finance as⁣ per the law in most jurisidictions and is how the world works, hence Canada properties⁢ bought by Chinese, Dubai properties bought by Indians, newly arrived residents of America fund their︀ startup, immigrants of Europe pay for their new homes etc.

i don't make the rules︁ but there's no document/link/url that states such an activity is illicit finance.

They have a process︅ to follow then. This is how the entire world works, and it happens everywhere every︆ day, you don't see Europeans arrested for 'bringing their legitimate funds' out of sudan into︇ Europe.

The European Union (EU) generally does not seize funds received as inheritance from a︈ legitimate source. In the scenario you described, where a former citizen of Tunisia moves to︉ Europe, obtains citizenship, and receives an inheritance from a deceased relative, the EU authorities would︊ typically not consider these funds as illicit finance.

Here are some key points to consider:︋

  1. Legitimate source: If the funds can be traced back to a legitimate source, such as︌ an inheritance, they are generally not considered illicit. Inheritances are typically recognized as a legitimate︍ source of wealth transfer.
  2. Taxes and reporting: The recipient of the inheritance is usually required︎ to report it to the relevant tax authorities in their European country of residence. They️ may be subject to inheritance or gift taxes, depending on local laws. It's essential to‌ comply with tax regulations and reporting requirements to ensure transparency.
  3. Anti-money laundering (AML) and anti-terrorist‍ financing (ATF) laws: While the EU has strict AML and ATF regulations in place to⁠ prevent the flow of illicit funds, these regulations primarily target money laundering and the financing⁤ of terrorism. If the funds can be shown to have a legitimate source, they are⁣ less likely to raise suspicion.
  4. Capital controls: The issue you mentioned about capital controls in⁢ Tunisia might complicate the transfer of funds, but this is a concern for the Tunisian︀ authorities, not the EU. If the funds have been legally transferred out of Tunisia, and︁ the necessary documentation and legal procedures have been followed, it is less likely that the︂ EU would seize these funds.
However, it's important to note that individual cases can vary,︃ and specific circumstances may lead to further scrutiny. In any cross-border financial transaction, it is︄ advisable to seek professional legal and financial advice to ensure compliance with all relevant laws︅ and regulations in both the home country (Tunisia) and the host country (European country) to︆ avoid any potential issues.

Like i said and as Chat GPT just stated, the EU doesn't︊ give a s**t about inwards bound funds.

It's a problem for Tunisia and unless he's︋ going back, theres f**k all they can do.

In the United States, similar principles apply︌ when it comes to receiving an inheritance from a legitimate source, even if the funds︍ originate from abroad. Here are some key points to consider:

  1. Legitimate source: If the funds︎ can be traced back to a legitimate source, such as an inheritance, they are generally️ not considered illicit finance. Inheritances are typically recognized as a legitimate source of wealth transfer.‌
  2. Taxes and reporting: The recipient of the inheritance is usually required to report it to‍ the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in the United States. Depending on the size of the⁠ inheritance and other factors, the recipient may be subject to federal and state estate or⁤ inheritance taxes, but these taxes generally do not lead to the seizure of the funds⁣ if they are paid appropriately.
  3. Anti-money laundering (AML) laws: The United States has stringent AML⁢ regulations to prevent money laundering and the financing of terrorism. However, these regulations primarily target︀ illegal activities and the movement of illicit funds. If the funds can be shown to︁ have a legitimate source, such as an inheritance, they are less likely to raise suspicion︂ under AML laws.
  4. Banking and financial regulations: Transferring large sums of money from abroad to︃ the United States may trigger scrutiny by banks and financial institutions. They are obligated to︄ follow Know Your Customer (KYC) and AML procedures. Proper documentation and transparency about the source︅ of funds can help facilitate the transfer without issues.
  5. Gift and estate tax exemptions: The︆ United States has exemptions for gift and estate taxes, and not all inheritances are subject︇ to taxation. As of my knowledge cutoff date in January 2022, there were thresholds above︈ which gift and estate taxes might apply. These thresholds and tax laws may change, so︉ it's crucial to consult with a tax advisor or attorney to understand the current rules.︊
It's important to note that individual cases can vary, and specific circumstances may lead to︋ further scrutiny. It is advisable to seek professional legal and financial advice when receiving a︌ significant inheritance, especially when it involves international transfers, to ensure compliance with all relevant U.S.︍ laws and regulations and to avoid any potential issues. Additionally, staying informed about any updates︎ or changes in tax laws and regulations is essential for proper financial planning.

In the️ United Kingdom, similar principles apply when it comes to receiving an inheritance from a legitimate‌ source, even if the funds originate from abroad. Here are some key points to consider:‍

  1. Legitimate source: If the funds can be traced back to a legitimate source, such as⁠ an inheritance, they are generally not considered illicit finance. Inheritances are typically recognized as a⁤ legitimate source of wealth transfer.
  2. Taxes and reporting: The recipient of the inheritance is usually⁣ required to report it to HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) in the United Kingdom. Depending⁢ on the size of the inheritance and other factors, the recipient may be subject to︀ inheritance tax, but this tax generally does not lead to the seizure of the funds︁ if they are paid appropriately.
  3. Anti-money laundering (AML) laws: The United Kingdom has stringent AML︂ regulations to prevent money laundering and the financing of terrorism. However, these regulations primarily target︃ illegal activities and the movement of illicit funds. If the funds can be shown to︄ have a legitimate source, such as an inheritance, they are less likely to raise suspicion︅ under AML laws.
  4. Banking and financial regulations: Transferring large sums of money from abroad to︆ the UK may trigger scrutiny by banks and financial institutions. They are obligated to follow︇ Know Your Customer (KYC) and AML procedures. Proper documentation and transparency about the source of︈ funds can help facilitate the transfer without issues.
  5. Inheritance tax exemptions: The United Kingdom has︉ exemptions and thresholds for inheritance tax, and not all inheritances are subject to taxation. The︊ threshold and tax rates may change, so it's important to consult with a tax advisor︋ or solicitor to understand the current rules.
It's important to note that individual cases can︌ vary, and specific circumstances may lead to further scrutiny. It is advisable to seek professional︍ legal and financial advice when receiving a significant inheritance, especially when it involves international transfers,︎ to ensure compliance with all relevant UK laws and regulations and to avoid any potential️ issues. Additionally, staying informed about any updates or changes in tax laws and regulations is‌ essential for proper financial planning.

and finally....

Does the EU have issues with inward flow‍ of capital from Tunisia sourced from inheritance that has bypassed Tunisian capital controls (evaded)

ChatGPT
The European Union (EU) and its member states generally do not have issues with the⁠ inward flow of capital sourced from a legitimate inheritance, even if it has bypassed Tunisian⁤ capital controls. It's important to understand that the EU's primary concern is with the legality⁣ of the funds and whether they have a legitimate source, not the specific capital controls⁢ of another country.
Here are some key points to consider:
  1. Legitimate Source: If the funds︀ can be traced back to a legitimate source, such as an inheritance, they are generally︁ not considered illicit or problematic in the EU. Inheritances are typically recognized as a legitimate︂ source of wealth transfer.
  2. EU Capital Controls: The EU does not impose capital controls on︃ the inflow of funds from other countries, including Tunisia. The EU's focus is more on︄ ensuring that funds are not of illicit origin, rather than regulating the source country's capital︅ controls.
  3. Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Due Diligence: Financial institutions operating within the EU are required︆ to follow strict AML and due diligence procedures. However, these procedures are primarily designed to︇ detect and prevent money laundering and the financing of terrorism. If the source of the︈ funds is legitimate, such as an inheritance, they are less likely to raise concerns under︉ AML regulations.
  4. National Taxation: The recipient of the inheritance may be required to report it︊ to the tax authorities in their European country of residence and pay any applicable taxes.︋ Taxation of inheritances is typically a national matter, and each EU member state may have︌ its own rules and exemptions.
While the EU generally does not have issues with the︍ inward flow of capital from Tunisia sourced from a legitimate inheritance, it's essential to ensure︎ that all necessary documentation and legal procedures have been followed to demonstrate the legitimate source️ of the funds. Additionally, the recipient should comply with tax regulations in their European country‌ of residence to avoid any potential issues related to taxation.
It's advisable for individuals involved‍ in cross-border financial transactions, especially those related to inheritances, to seek professional legal and financial⁠ advice to navigate the complexities of international financial regulations and ensure compliance with all relevant⁤ laws and regulations in both the source country (Tunisia) and the receiving country (EU member⁣ state).
 
Like any crime they will⁠ be arrested if caught. When capital controls exist you be wise not to evade them⁤ or if stupid enough to try then get caught. Not sure why you mentioned Sudan⁣ but I think most foreigners have left Sudan due to on-going civil war btw and⁢ doubt they kept any funds inside the country...lol

i.e from the 1MDB scandal in Malaysia:︀

- Legal Consequences: When individuals or entities are caught evading capital controls, they can︁ face severe legal consequences, including hefty fines, imprisonment, or even the forfeiture of assets. For︂ example, in 2019, Malaysia charged several individuals and entities with money laundering and evading capital︃ controls related to the 1MDB scandal, resulting in significant legal penalties.

To evade capital controls︄ you are ultimately gonna have to launder the money. So good luck.
 
Like mentioned, in the EU, US, UK︃ they do not see issue with this as long as the funds are from legitimate︄ sources.

EU, US, UK banks would have issued if sitting in-between countries as correspondent as︅ they could loose licenses or be fined, so are risk adverse.

Crypto provides the pass︆ through.

In EU, US, UK funds derived from legitimate source are not illegal.

As long︇ as he doesn't return to said country he has nothing to worry about.

I'd love︈ to see a extradition request for this, in all the years i've been trying to︉ understand various parts of international finance i've never seen an extradition request for joe blogs︊ trying to remit his legitimate funds from a despot regime.

As for the post, it's︋ hit an ending for me. The law is clear, the greyness is ok as long︌ as it's legit.
 
Oh yea, I never said there is︃ no local consequence in Tunisia. See my post above when I had 2500 usd in︄ my wallet (that are always with me in case..)
 
Cool just keep this in mind when deciding on⁠ your options.

Yes they do. I cited US and its territory Puerto Rico banks. Same with Deutsche⁢ Bank an Danske bank in EU. They do not wish to be part of misuse︀ of the financial system to commit financial crimes whether at home or abroad which evading︁ capital or currency controls is. This is not hard to understand....lol.

U.S took issue with︄ its own territories bank in Puerto Rico - Standard International Bank. There was no correspondence︅ banking relationship for USD. The bank had direct Fedwire clearing ability i.e direct connection with︆ Federal reserve bank. They lost the connection for the activity I described. The bank was︇ a Chinese setup primarily used by Chinese residents to evade capital controls. Hence it was︈ used for criminal activity.

A financial crime does not need to take place in a︉ banks country of operation for a bank to acknowledge client wrong doing....lol. And evading capital︊ controls is a crime as I mentioned.
 
Well, then︃ you can be at peace knowing it's not involving the US, but Europe, and Tunisia,︄ and isn't considered illicit finance in the EU, unless you are willing to provide some︅ form of evidence (court-cases) to support the following aspersions.

1) It's illicit finance
2) I︆ am advising someone how to 'launder their illicit finance'.

Those are the two claims you've︇ made in this thread.
 
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