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Zero days on UAE gold visa. Will it work?

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Situation -

Passive investment bank account in Switzerland (Corporate, Seychelles);
UBO has 10 years UAE Gold Visa;
Has own apartment in UAE (more than AED 2m price);
Visits UAE zero times a year;
At bank on file has UAE residency;
Spends most of his time in Georgia, EU, Thailand;
Pays zero taxes.

Question -
Does this actually work?

UAE laws (please carefully read and mind word ANY):
https://mof.gov.ae/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ministerial-Decision-27-of-2023-of-Tax-Residency.pdfhttps://tax.gov.ae/Datafolder/Files...inet Decision 85 of 2022 - For publishing.pdf
 
Not enough information to decide, it will depend on where that person actually spends their‌ time, ties to other countries (especially EU) etc.
Probably the person would simply not be‍ tax resident anywhere, can't imagine the UAE would issue a tax residency certificate. But that⁠ by itself doesn't mean one would have to pay tax - but it would probably⁤ make it easier for some other country to claim you as tax resident.
So then⁣ the UAE residency wouldn't bring any benefits - you might as well drop it and⁢ get residency in Thailand or Georgia instead and set up something based on that.
 
I am thinking different angle. How potential country (one claiming he︁ is resident there) will know about existence of the account? Switz sends no data to︂ UAE.
 
Switzerland does send data to the UAE, they both have implemented CRS. But so what?‌
The question is which country could try to tax you in that situation. Not what‍ will the UAE do or how could they find out.
 
The question is always - what is your home country? Do you have ties to‌ your home country (property, family, etc)? Do you spend 180+ days a year at your‍ home country?

Your biggest risk is always your home country asking you where do you⁠ pay taxes and asking for PROOF in form of tax residency certificate. Best course of⁤ action is to not have any money in your home country and not spend any⁣ time there. Thus it's less likely that they will care about you.

If you're coming⁢ from an aggressive country like Sweden\Germany\Spain, it's best to take extra precaution and make sure︀ you can get a tax residency certificate in UAE (= actually spend 180+ days there)︁ or at least have proof that you are in UAE often (think receipts for spending︂ money there, buying food, phone bills, etc).
 
I do not understand how country claiming be be my home will know that bank account︃ even exists. Data cuts after Switz. They are not sending info to UAE.
 
I don't understand why in this day and age people still talk about‌ "home countries". I left my "home country" when I was 18 years old.

Irrelevant - could become liable for tax much sooner.

Some countries may⁣ do that, but it's not relevant. You can be tax resident in multiple countries at⁢ the same time, and you can be liable for taxes without being tax resident in︀ a country.

That's really funny because neither︃ Sweden nor Germany have a tax treaty with the UAE, so they won't give two︄ shits about a TRC from the UAE.

That's not even required to get a TRC.

I'm amazed︆ how much wrong information you could cram into such a short post.

They can still use other information, it's not like they can only send info︉ to the country you declared when you signed up for the account.
It's also not︊ a very good strategy to rely on lack of information exchange. What if Switzerland changes︋ the rules tomorrow and decides to report for previous years as well?
 
If Switz report to UAE than, most probably, nothing will happen. UAE will throw data︆ away.

Do you know what exactly other information is shared? I think nothing is shared︇ if BO's name on account is not used (entity used).

I have spoken with private︈ bankers in US and Switz - they told they are not reporting to UAE, Bahrain,︉ etc. UAE, Bahrain are reporting to them via CRS auto ex., Fatca.
 
If you spend your time in those countries as a tourist (no resident permit) and‌ don't use/open local bank accounts it should work (90 days EU -> 90 days Georgia‍ -> 90 days Thailand -> 90 days elsewhere (Bahamas for example).
However there are known⁠ cases when swiss banks leaked and databases were bought by tax authorities.
 
90 days is plenty enough to make you tax resident in several EU countries. Whether‌ you have bank accounts there or not is not relevant.
 
Guys, why does it matter at all? Get back to my question above. Switz is‌ not in EU. Data shall not come to EU even if some country shall start‍ claiming I am tax resident there (IMHO, very low chance).
 
Data comes when you cross borders even if you managed to beat CRS.
I never‌ heard about tourists who rented a villa for 3 months being taxed in EU.
 
Not EU, but Switzerland has 90 days, potentially less‍ than that because "short absences" don't even count. So you spend 13 weeks in Switzerland,⁠ Monday-Friday, that's just 65 days, but you could become tax resident.
Would they catch you⁤ and really and come after you? Probably not. Especially not if you have closer ties⁣ to another country and there's a tax treaty.
Other EU countries have something like 270⁢ days in a rolling 36-month period as a limit, which also comes down to 90︀ days per year. And just like Switzerland, short absences often aren't counted.
Again, you could︁ probably stay under the radar quite easily, but this could absolutely happen, especially if it's︂ your home country.

And then obviously there are crazy examples like Germany where simply having︃ access to an apartment (the possibility to use it whenever you want, whether you actually︄ spend time there or not, whether you are registered as a resident or not) can︅ trigger tax residency.
 
I am talking about bank account data. How in countries I⁠ visit they even know about existence of the account?
 
but how?

if you have no place in your‍ name neither rented nor bought, no local bank account, no local phone number, no local⁠ insurance...
how am you really living in that place?
 
I am also thinking this is unlikely.⁠ Even if I buy real estate. I can register all valuable stuff on relative who⁤ clearly lives in some other place.
 
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