WireCard - hope this isnt another SATA

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Dear people check the IBAN of your prepaid card to see if it is not‌ owned by WIRECARD. Wirecard is for instance the european operator of payoneer and the payoneer‍ debit card. So, in the future I guess the euros funds of payoneer could be⁠ frozen as it is for epayments.
I tell you so because moody's withdrew the Wirecard⁤ notation. German Banks could stop backing up Wirecard or working with Wirecard

So please withdraw⁣ your money if you see that your IBAN is owned by Wirecard before it is⁢ too late
 
@anotherone . Deposits are secured by the German "Einlagesicherungsfonds" . As already said, the only‌ problem will be the Visa/Mastercards/JCB licenses as this may result in non working cards. Everything‍ is working as usual and no Wirecard client is experiencing any problems by now. The⁠ only people I would suggest to withdrawal are the one with really big amounts like⁤ 750k+ € as everything above is not insured. In case of a bankruptcy the German⁣ government guarantees a pay out in 2 weeks.

Braun is already free again (on bail),⁢ which was obvious. Same day.

However in my opinion a bankruptcy is inevitable.
Aldi, Revolut,︀ KLM, Orange, Orange Bank, Grab and a lot of big companies already announced to switch︁ to different payment processors.
It's even unlikely that some investor will buy Wirecard after the︂ trust is damaged so much and Wirecard is everywhere in the news in Europe. Also︃ it will be quite easy for businesses to change the payment processor. They just need︄ to change API credentials, haha. So Wirecard will loose a lot more of clients which︅ makes it even more uninteresting for investors.

For the guys worried about EPB. Intercash cards︆ are indeed issued by Wirecard. However they removed all links to Wirecard online. One of︇ their card programs was even called "WireCard"
 
Let's write the list of all institutions and cards connected with Wirecard here. Thus, we‌ will be more careful from now on.
 
Ok, I added the first 7 to the list of 313.000 Wirecard clients, haha.

Don't fall for the panic. Being a Wirecard client doesn't mean that they do everything via‌ Wirecard. Most companies use their payment processing service which can be quickly changed. And if‍ the card programm will go bust they will have new card programms as backup. I⁠ already hear that Wirecard competitors are offering quick card programm changes.

I of course approached⁤ all Wirecard related companies where me or my clients have accounts.
I almost got the⁣ same responses from all of them.
Just one example from Wirex which uses Wirex Singapour⁢ for cards but have Ibans via Onpex:
(I was also in shock mode for a︀ few days, as a very very big transfer didn't hit the other account, but all︁ is good again)
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Hello xxx,

The transfer is shown as successful on our side.︂ I have sent the request to double-check the transfer to our banking partner and will︃ update you as soon as I receive a reply on this case.

There's zero reasons︄ to be worried about the business account, simply because it has nothing to do with︅ Wirecard at all.

That said, even for the retail product (Wirex app and cards), we︆ currently only issue ~3% of our global card stock, only in the APAC region, not︇ in Europe, via Wirecard Singapore. Presently, Wirecard has been approaching all its partners (including Wirex)︈ with an update, and at this stage, we see little external risk to Wirex. We're︉ having a constant dialogue to evaluate any risk and should any arise, we'll take action.︊

Best regards,
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//Edit: @ih8socialism :Link: Wirecard Bank AG . That's the "Entschädigungseinrichtung deutscher Banke"︋ for 100k. additional 650k via "Einlagensicherungsfonds".
 
@Marie Manila " Seit Juni 2016 erhalten Sparer ihr Geld binnen sieben Werktagen zurück. Zuvor‌ durfte das noch 20 Werktage dauern. "
They even reduced it to 7 business days,‍ didn't noticed that.

German Source from "Stiftung Warentest" : FAQ Einlagensicherung - Geld zurück ohne⁠ Stress - Stiftung Warentest
And also a good FAQ, sadly also only in German: Einlagensicherungsfonds

That is the satement from boon relating to the "Einlagensicherungsfonds":
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important part translated by DeepL:
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Your deposits are protected up to 100.000 Euro by︄ the deposit protection fund of German banks.
In addition, Wirecard Bank AG is a member︅ of the Deposit Protection Fund of private banks, which is why there is a minimum︆ protection of 1 million euros for you.
You will find all further information on this︇ on the website of the Auditing Association of German Banks (Prüfungsverband deutscher Banken e.V.) under︈ the following link: Einlagensicherungsportal

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)"
 
@BlueMist Already wrote that 2 times in this thread here and also sent the links‌ to the official website of the "Einlagensicherungssystem".
Again here : Wirecard Bank AG
Just look‍ at it with Google translate
100k + min. 650k . So a MINIMUM of 750k⁠ is save.
Here is a link to ask for the exact sum which is secured:⁤ Sicherungsgrenze abfragen
And then i guess they will answer with the 1 mio boon mentioned.⁣
 
by the way. Wirecard is now halted. Bankruptcy was filed.
I guess cards will stop‌ working soon.
But funds will remain safe.
 
What happens to WireCard Acquirer? There must be 1000s of merchants processing with them, I‌ cannot see this subsidiary going bankrupt along with the parent company.
 
@nitehawk

The fate of Wirecard subsidiaries is yet to be decided. Likewise, MC, Visa are‌ likely to announce something within a few days - either a flush, or some conditions‍ and a deadline. The pressure to take heads out of the sand keeps mounting by⁠ hour.

I'm all out of WC; not because I knew what they did behind the⁤ curtains, but I had a ton of (admittedly undeserved) luck this time.

Now it's just⁣ popcorn time smi(&%!
 
@Martin Everson bankruptcies in Germany work a little different. Now someone will be appointed to‌ lead the bankruptcy. The insolvency administrator will keep the company running as long as possible‍ to get as much for the creditors as possible. That is also why the payment⁠ processing still works. However it is just a matter of time until they will cut⁤ it. For the funds, I see no reason why they should be in danger if⁣ they are below 750k (or 1 mio as boon says). It's also all over the⁢ German news, that bank account holders with accounts from Wirecard are secured.

Anyway, big s**t︀ situation. And I guess some people will get problems, because they will know look at︁ every shady transactions, UBOs, companies etc. ... And we all know that Wirecard was famous︂ for processing shady businesses. It will be interesting, haha.
 
Depositors are not in the same situation as lenders. I'll eat my hat if I'm‌ proved wrong.

Still, I ask those here who have dealt with these situations in the‍ past. Do card balances (not the same as EMI balances) get frozen? Or do the⁠ cards stop working? Or do things continue as the cards are passed to a new⁤ issuer? Like many people I use one of Wirecard's customers for day to day use⁣ and I have no idea what happens next.
 
Without this forum, I would not have known. The intensity of daily work is high.‌ He said in the news but I couldn't listen. Thanks Offshorecorptalk. So glad that I‍ have you.
 
Those who invest in shares better check their portfolios for any Wirecard shares. They are‌ worthless now. So is any chance of getting anything back from wirecard. Might want to‍ join this class action below against EY...lol.

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"German law firm Schirp &⁠ Partner said that with Wirecard now effectively sidelined, it would file class actions against EY⁤ on behalf of shareholders and bondholders."

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