Why is Ethereum performing like garbage?

[Matade]

void said:
hmm, so banks can use post-quantum algorithms but bitcoin and crypto can't?
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Yes. You got it completely correct.

void said:
if one day quantum computing threatens currently used encryption it will represent a global scale issue (as human race currently depends on the internet and encryption) that will be solved on time - the bigger problem is all the captured encrypted data from the past that might be readable all of the sudden 😉
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WRONG! It won't be nearly as big of a "human issue" with centralized entities that can transfer to safe protocols quicker and also ensure more KYC and human checks. It will ABSOLUTELY destroy decentralized blockchains.

This is NOT priced in.

 

[Houdini]

polonieth said:
Ethereum is so cooked man, is it ever going to go up?! Perpetually stuck in a soy boy downward spiral

I know it's looked dead before, then DeFi season came and it blew up and defeated all the FUD. But $1800 as I write this, when will it be $4k again? Swap fee is like 30 cents now lol.

Why do you think it's doing so badly? Soy Boy Foundation?
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It's been like that ever since the last reset about six months ago, or whenever it was. It had just hit $4,500, and since then, it hasn't really gone much above $2,500.

 

[0xDEADBEEF]

A real breakthrough is needed first, so @Matade's points hold, since mass migration could cause more issues than it solves. If this BIP draft is the best they've got, the FUD is justified:

https://github.com/chucrut/bips/blob/master/bip-xxxxx.md
Code:

    Node and Miner Upgrades:
    All nodes and miners must upgrade their software to enforce the new rules after T_deadline.
 
    User Notifications:
    Wallet providers, block explorers, and other infrastructure must display clear warnings. For example, a wallet might show a banner reading: “Warning: Funds in legacy addresses will be unspendable after block 700,000. Please migrate your funds to a quantum-resistant address.”
 
    Emergency Migration Mechanisms:
    Consider providing a mechanism (such as an incentivized migration bonus or automated migration tool) during the migration period to assist less technically inclined users.

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[Costas]

Ethereum isn't scalable. During network spikes, transaction fees get ridiculously high, so people just switch to other networks. It's that simple.

 

[suzy]

It's a shame they don't develop in the right direction!

 

[Matade]

0xDEADBEEF said:
A real breakthrough is needed first, so @Matade's points hold, since mass migration could cause more issues than it solves. If this BIP draft is the best they've got, the FUD is justified:

https://github.com/chucrut/bips/blob/master/bip-xxxxx.md
Code:

    Node and Miner Upgrades:
    All nodes and miners must upgrade their software to enforce the new rules after T_deadline.
 
    User Notifications:
    Wallet providers, block explorers, and other infrastructure must display clear warnings. For example, a wallet might show a banner reading: “Warning: Funds in legacy addresses will be unspendable after block 700,000. Please migrate your funds to a quantum-resistant address.”
 
    Emergency Migration Mechanisms:
    Consider providing a mechanism (such as an incentivized migration bonus or automated migration tool) during the migration period to assist less technically inclined users.

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And once again, this isn't priced in. Except a huge drop in cryptos once next news on quantum computers comes out.
It's not possible to time, but getting out of cryptos and into stocks may be really smart right now.

 

[Martin Everson]

Matade said:
Except a huge drop in cryptos once next news on quantum computers comes out.
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Networks will simply upgrade before then. It's not rocket science to do. There are already Crypto L1's that claim to have already incorporated quantum-resistant cryptographic algorithms and I am sure more will come and others upgrade perhaps.

It's a nothing burger to worry about that stuff now. You should be more worried about SHA-256 which underpins the internet and quantum computing. But again its a distant dream for current quantum computing to break even that.

https://indexedev.com/post/cracking-sha-256-with-quantum-computers-myth-vs-reality/

Meanwhile ETH continues to slide but more likely just following overall trend of the market.

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[Matade]

Martin Everson said:
Networks will simply upgrade before then. It's not rocket science to do. There are already Crypto L1's that claim to have already incorporated quantum-resistant cryptographic algorithms and I am sure more will come and others upgrade perhaps.

It's a nothing burger to worry about that stuff now. You should be more worried about SHA-256 which underpins the internet and quantum computing. But again its a distant dream for current quantum computing to break even that.

https://indexedev.com/post/cracking-sha-256-with-quantum-computers-myth-vs-reality/

Meanwhile ETH continues to slide but more likely just following overall trend of the market.
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It is rocket science and if you research the subject in depth, you will realize there are too many problems with such "upgrade". Decentralized systems will simply not survive the transition. Nobody wants to admit it right now as it would shatter any trust there was in cryptos.

 

[GPT]

ETH was bound to go tits up ever since it became clear that it was corruptible. It was more waiting for an event that triggered it. I am still not sure if this is that event yet I am not surprised that ETH is crashing.

 

[spepe]

Matade said:
It is rocket science and if you research the subject in depth, you will realize there are too many problems with such "upgrade". Decentralized systems will simply not survive the transition. Nobody wants to admit it right now as it would shatter any trust there was in cryptos.
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Bitcoin doesn't need an upgrade. Quantum protection can be achieved already today via Taproot with trivial updates to the transaction payload (which are a responsibility of the single wallets/applications and not the protocol) https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev/c/8O857bRSVV8/m/4cM-7pf4AgAJ?pli=1

Decentralized protocol upgrades follow trivial game theory (Schelling Point) principles. This goes beyond cryptocurrencies and has been the case since open-source software was invented. This principle comprehends the very same cryptographic primitives and libraries that you claim will be updated by banks and non-cryptocurrency applications: they are mostly open-source, and their updates require decentralized coordination by the teams maintaining them.

Anyway, I'm more than happy to read any link supporting your thesis. I appreciate your time "researching the subject in depth" and enlightening me and the rest of the readers of this thread. An absolute winner would be if you can point me to the correlation of ETH price with quantum research progress, which would nail your point.

Side question: if you believe that cryptocurrencies will disappear in five years , what's your purpose in this forum section, exactly?

 

[Matade]

spepe said:
Bitcoin doesn't need an upgrade. Quantum protection can be achieved already today via Taproot with trivial updates to the transaction payload (which are a responsibility of the single wallets/applications and not the protocol) https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev/c/8O857bRSVV8/m/4cM-7pf4AgAJ?pli=1

Decentralized protocol upgrades follow trivial game theory (Schelling Point) principles. This goes beyond cryptocurrencies and has been the case since open-source software was invented. This principle comprehends the very same cryptographic primitives and libraries that you claim will be updated by banks and non-cryptocurrency applications: they are mostly open-source, and their updates require decentralized coordination by the teams maintaining them.

Anyway, I'm more than happy to read any link supporting your thesis. I appreciate your time "researching the subject in depth" and enlightening me and the rest of the readers of this thread. An absolute winner would be if you can point me to the correlation of ETH price with quantum research progress, which would nail your point.

Side question: if you believe that cryptocurrencies will disappear in five years , what's your purpose in this forum section, exactly?
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This is incorrect. I know it feels good to think that, but if you research topic in detail (just ask grok, claude or gpt to do it for you) you will see that bitcoin will not survive transition to post-quantum encryption.

 

[Martin Everson]

Ok please stick to topic going forward.

Quantum computing can now be discussed in another thread your free to create....thx. Any off topic follow up posts will be zapped.

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[MartyyByrde]

polonieth said:
Ethereum is so cooked man, is it ever going to go up?! Perpetually stuck in a soy boy downward spiral

I know it's looked dead before, then DeFi season came and it blew up and defeated all the FUD. But $1800 as I write this, when will it be $4k again? Swap fee is like 30 cents now lol.

Why do you think it's doing so badly? Soy Boy Foundation?
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Tether printer is without viagra nowadays

Stocks market is on uncertain

QE needed or Tether injection (usually cycle both work)

ETH gonna probably do something as its a choosen stablecoin chain.


Wouldnt fade also RWA ( Ondo and such. )

 

[tacokai]

Matade said:
It is rocket science and if you research the subject in depth, you will realize there are too many problems with such "upgrade". Decentralized systems will simply not survive the transition. Nobody wants to admit it right now as it would shatter any trust there was in cryptos.
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apply only for Ethereum right ?

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[Matade]

tacokai said:
apply only for Ethereum right ?
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No, most cryptos. Bitcoin, too.

 

[wellington]

Haven't got the energy to read all of this, but fondly remember Solana, and how that came back with much more drama, usually the most hated asset comes back with a vengeance.

Aside from that anyone setting aside emotion would look at the correlation side, and realize the ISM only briefly peaked above 50 and since then you've had the Trump tariff war creating havoc within the Business Cycle.

ETH aligns with the Business cycle more so than Liquidity Cycle (Which Gold, BTC does) therefore, until such time as the Business cycle momentum above 50 starts trending north you'll have less liquidity (funds) for people to go outside the risk curve, you'll have less products coming to market (because its recessionary/depressionary) and they don't go launching into that sort of market as sentiment drowns out project launches.

So for now its still tinkering along and paying a yield, and its elastic supply means it will go deflationary again as the economy picks up.

 

[sharklasers]

It began with switch from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake IMHO. A multi-billion experiment.