Which countries don't have public UBO registers?

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Hmm....luckily our good friends at tax terrorism dot com helped us out with that.

https://www.taxjustice.net/2019/09/...ership-and-companies-as-parties-to-the-trust/

You are going to⁢ have to hire people to be representatives before the bank for you to open the︀ accounts. Get the card and details, transfer the money, into accounts elsewhere or vaults or︁ near liquid assets like gold or trusts. Also getting a 2nd citizenship in a low︂ or no tax jurisdiction would be helpful.
 
Very Interesting. But...when signing up at EMI's or Banks, who declares⁢ to be the UBO?
 
One of your fall dummies in the chart I'd suppose.‍ Probably 20%. He is owning 20% after all.

This reminds me of another semi-related discussion.⁠ I have some jewish relatives from the other side, good people. And one of his⁤ relatives who was good in business told me, never own more than 20% of a⁣ business. I thought he was crazy then, because he was like 70, but now he⁢ might be on to something. Lets just call him adam.

When you own and control︀ 100% of a business, whenever there is a problem you have a problem and have︁ to go run to fix it. This guy owned a radio station and ice cream︂ shops. He said when the DJs would smoke weed, he'd have to run down their︃ to stop them. When lightning hit the station because of the broadcast, he'd have to︄ go run to replace parts. When guest trashed the rooms, he had to go clean︅ it up or get cleanup crews and replacement equipment. When pest were in the fields︆ and the grass had to be mowed, he had to fix all that. If someone︇ quit he had to go chase their replacement. If an advertiser pulled out or there︈ was a complaint, he had to go fix it before his license got pulled or︉ the advertisers pulled out, etc. You get the idea. One night kids snuck in and︊ vandalized the place writing seig heil and heil hitler and swastikas all over the radio︋ station. He had to run to clean it up quickly and hire professional cleaners. If︌ the payroll wasn't submitted on time it was he who faced all the penalties, if︍ the taxes were messed up it was he who'd go to jail. If the ice︎ cream machine shut down or a manager quit etc. it was all on him to️ go wake up that morning and call vendors.

He had a partner who had basically‌ paid him $200k for 20% of the business a few years ago. Lets call him‍ David. Adam figured it was a good deal because it was basically a no interest⁠ loan for $100k that would only be paid back if Adam made money. He didn't⁤ even have to personally guarantee any assets. He was making about $300k after the salary⁣ he took from the 2 businesses combined pre-tax. Adam still had final say, control, power⁢ over everything and beyond his agreed salary, whenever there was a distribution/dividend he had to︀ give David 20%.

The way he saw it was the other guy got paid 20%︁ a year to sleep in bed. And he had to have all the stress and︂ got 80%. He then copied that guys business model.
 
because i read some wrong information about Seychelles Offshore / IBC and would like to‌ make it clear, there NON public registers in Seychelles, not UBO, not shareholder not directors!‍
but there is a non public list at FSA for directors, but nobody get them.⁠ the only thing to get names of director are to apply with IBC no. and⁤ IBC name for one company.
you cant apply for a complete list btw.
 
This was my plan, but the offshore lawyer explained to me, I'd⁣ run into problems when the homeless UBO is asked by the bank to provide documents/proof/explanation⁢ of how they obtained the wealth to setup any account. What happens when the banks︀ says ok Homeless mexican, show me your tax returns of last 2 years?
 
You can probably falsify that, since in most jurisdiction it's not possible to verify a⁣ tax return independently. Just take your own tax return and change the numbers around. Make⁢ sure it adds up. The same can be done with a CV or academic credentials.︀

However, a bigger problem is repeat KYC. What do you do in 1, 2, or︁ 3 years when the bank asks for updated KYC? Hopefully your nominee UBO is still︂ around. Most likely, you're putting an expiration date on your business.
 
Yes, it is increasingly‌ common for banks and EMIs to ask for repeat KYC. This can happen annual, biannually,‍ when a passport on file expires, or at any point at random or due to⁠ risk indicators with certain transactions/activities.
 
Is this also valid for companies?

Lets say for foreign single member LLC with a US⁠ bank account.
 
If they have a password on file that is going to expire in 10 years,‌ which other documents could they ask you to provide?
 
Anything. Banks are not limited in what they ask for.

Recent proof of address, recent‌ certified copy of passport, recent copy of passport with apostille, recent second ID document (ID‍ card, driver's license, residence permit), recent selfie with passport, and so on.

I'm not saying⁠ it will for sure happen. I'm saying you're risking your entire business on this either⁤ not happening or happening and you being able to satisfy the bank.
 
That's true but you can't open an account for this company‍ without revealing your personal information, that's where the chain breaks.
 
But if Smith wants to obscure his income or property ownership, he can easily create corporate structures across various jurisdictions to make it much more difficult to identify his ownership. 5 © IDB & OECD 2019 Figure 2. Economic Activity through a Complex System of Legal Vehicles The longer the chain of entities between a legal vehicle (in our example, Company A and its BO, John Smith), and the more jurisdictions the entities span, the harder it is to identify the BO, given the need to determine who controls each of the layers.
https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=...olkit_EN.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0U3G8El9DAhbV43k5AIl5W
 
But if Smith wants to obscure his income or property ownership, he can easily create‌ corporate structures across various jurisdictions to make it much more difficult to identify his ownership.‍ 5 © IDB & OECD 2019 Figure 2. Economic Activity through a Complex System of⁠ Legal Vehicles The longer the chain of entities between a legal vehicle (in our example,⁤ Company A and its BO, John Smith), and the more jurisdictions the entities span, the⁣ harder it is to identify the BO, given the need to determine who controls each⁢ of the layers.
https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=...olkit_EN.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0U3G8El9DAhbV43k5AIl5W
 
While Privacy isn't dead I would say Privacy with reliable retail banking is almost dead.‌

Use the previoius suggestions with nominee and whatever in the company strusturce and you will‍ see how you end up when it comes to the banking.

Cyprus introduce UBO registrar⁠ soon so anyway nominees are pretty much useless:
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=1987a055-1bd1-48e7-a749-8c7e435681de
Same goes for the US -⁤ not a law yet but sooner then later it's reality:
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/brave-new-world-us-implements-company-ubo-reporting-regime
For now the UAE⁣ is last man standing when it comes to privacy with retail banking and even here⁢ it's very difficult to open for a company that has no straight forward shareholder structure.︀
 
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