Where would you live once you are happy with your passive income?

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Awesome food, nice beaches (and bitches), temperate climate... What else‍ can you ask for?
Phone/internet plans kind suck tho but Starlink covers Greece iirc
 
TheCryptoAnt said:
Awesome food, nice beaches (and bitches), temperate climate... What else can you ask for?
Phone/internet plans kind suck tho but Starlink covers Greece iirc
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Weather in winter is not so great and in summer the heat can be unbearable.
Also, many beaches are infested by vicious drunk and loud tourists.
Finally, Greece is a slave of the EU, which makes it dangerous.

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True but thats the same almost everywhere. I like my‍ AC tho.

Sorry, sometimes I cannot make myself responsible for the things I do.⁤

True, no arguing here.
 
This a bug︀ bear i've had to come to terms with.

I have a similar set up (slightly better views) it gets︄ boring and the lack of intelligent discussion is annoying, most around are old and not︅ active in the circuit anymore .

Greece i love, but it's basically on life support,︆ next stage is raiding the peoples wealth directly...

This is what concerned me with Thailand, then we️ had a hair-brained PM come in and immediately impose new taxes... lol
 
I understand retirees wanting to move to the south of Spain because of the weather,‌ but in order to be happy in Spain you should become as ignorant as you‍ can, if you learn about all the problems that Spain is facing you would never⁠ move to Spain. And becoming "Autónomo" means that you'll have to pay X amount of⁤ money every month regardless of how much money you make (there are too many reasons⁣ why it's a had idea to become "Autónomo") you can do freelance without having to⁢ become "Autónomo."

Most of my friends who have some money have left or are planning︀ on leaving Spain (no point in talking about Spain and the Socialist/Communist government, plus evil︁ Hacienda.)

I just came back from Portugal, loved it, the people are nicer, food is︂ cheaper, great weather, overall less expensive.... Although I would stay away from the EUSSR.
 
Tax on dividends is also progressive in⁣ Spain, up to 26% if more than 200k€. The point is to check from what⁢ country you are getting your dividends and if a WHT would be applied. Getting to︀ avoid double taxation can become touchy. Note also that Spanish authorities might also investigate the︁ business you are receiving your dividends from. Is it a tax “exotic” country ? Can︂ you prove you have nothing to do with the management of that business (it has︃ its own local directors, offices, employees, etc.) ? If not, the business profit might be︄ taxed in Spain because they consider it managed from Spain. Depending how much taxes you︅ are ready to pay lump sum tax countries could be a good option (Italy, Greece,︆ Switzerland, Gibraltar … ). In Spain, you could also look at their new impatriate status︇ (so called Beckham Law ). Flat rate of 24% up to 600k income. No wealth,︈ capital gain , dividends tax if abroad. For 5 years only though.
 
If you hold a lot of US stocks that pay you dividends you need to‌ make sure that there is a DTT with the country you plan to move to‍ and US so you do not end up double taxed (30% withholding tax in US⁠ and then in the country with dividend tax). Spain has one so that's not the⁤ issue but still taxes are bit high there, tax office is rigid and they are⁣ not an English speaking country (not sure if that's important to you).

So I would⁢ advise you to consider Cyprus. If you like hot and sunny weather and Mediterranean climate:︀ you could establish your residency there and you would pay lower taxes than in Spain︁ and you would be required to spend only 60 days a year in Cyprus and︂ nowhere else more than 183 days and that's it. If you like Spain you could︃ buy a property there and spend 5 months/year there and a couple more months in︄ Italy, Malta, Turkey or Croatia and you'll have Mediterranean climate all year long. Also if︅ you want to freelance, taxes on that are probably the lowest in Europe so it's︆ a great deal.
 
I'm from Latin America, so no problems with the language. I agree Spanish⁢ taxes are high though, and Hacienda can be a pain.

I am considering it, but the problem is that︈ Cyprus is relatively expensive, and I don't know if I want to live there. If︉ I'm only 60 days a year there, having to go there every year may get︊ tiring eventually.
 
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings.jsp
  • Santa Cruz de Tenerife, Spain 45.2
  • Alicante, Spain 49.7
  • Limassol, Cyprus 62.3
  • Paphos, Cyprus‌ 54.5
Cyprus is similar to Spain. Recently it has become more expensive because of influx‍ of Russians. Wait for the WW3 in Middle East to see how that changes the⁠ picture
 
Yes, going somewhere because you HAVE⁣ to do it is no fun.
In your case - just go to Spain, pay⁢ taxes and enjoy it!
 
How is it similar when even the links you⁤ shared show Cyprus more expensive? Even Madrid is cheaper than Limassol.

But of course, in⁣ this forum, when Cyprus is mentioned, the bias is palpable. Lots of agents around I⁢ guess.
 
I guess that in Spain you have more options as it's a huge country (compared⁤ to Cyprus) and you could find cheaper places to buy/rent.
Also you could buy a⁣ lot of locally produced items that are cheaper and in Cyprus 90%+ of items are⁢ imported so it makes them more expensive. (on top or influx of Russian/Ukrainian people raising︀ prices)

According to this: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livi...n&country2=Cyprus&city1=Madrid&city2=LimassolLimassol is more expensive in every category than Madrid, but︁ will that compensate with higher taxes in Spain?
 
Malaysia might fit the developed country criteria in some locations.

Afaik no tax on overseas‌ income, visa available through investment,
good travel / banking options all around, safe place regarding‍ EU, Russia, China, and any upcoming wars.
It's not just Kuala Lumpur or Penang, you⁠ can also choose Langawi, Sarawak or Cyberjaya, depending what you are looking for.
Singapore, Thailand,⁤ Indonesia, Vietnam are just a cheap AIRAsia flight away and you can have a quiet,⁣ maybe even boring, homebase.

Oh, don't forget to take a look at Andorra as well,⁢ it might appeal to you.
 
It's hard to say, but the thing‍ is that when it comes to tax from dividend income from foreign investments, especially investments⁠ in USA, I would still pay more tax in Cyprus.

In any case, I don't⁤ have to choose between Spain and Cyprus. I have pretty much discarded Cyprus already, for⁣ many reasons (expensive, everything imported, small country, being an island, etc.).

But I'm still not⁢ totally convinced by Spain, due to the high taxes. It ticks all the boxes otherwise.︀
 
Probably Italy.

Specifically Portofino or Florence. with winter frequent trips to the Swiss alps (Grindlewald)‌

Would balance it out with a trip to HK, couple of months in SE Asia‍ (Thai) and a month in the Caribbean.

Having said that, i've achieved all what you⁠ said would need to be achieved and I appear to be stuck in SE Asia.⁤

Only issue with Malaysia, is︄ apart from KL, most of the country including Langkawi, and Penang, still feels very much︅ Colonial *ok great* but structurally, they've not really improved the country.

Alongside that you have︆ the religious policing.

But it is one place i've looked into for peace of mind︇ (tax wise).

A lot of people i know seem to be moving to Malaga,︍ back in the hay day Marbella -> down the coast was my stomping ground, it︎ was flourishing, then the EURO came out and the country nose-dived.

Yet frequently i am️ talking to people, ranging from 30's to 70's that are moving to Marbella.

Personal (family‌ have properties there still) I wouldn't do it, ok for a short holiday or summer‍ break, but so inconsistent politically. kinda like Portugal enticing all the crypto bros then rugging⁠ them...
 
How come?
Let's say you get 20k USD/year⁠ from publicly listed US companies as dividends.
How much tax would you pay in Spain⁤ vs Cyprus?
 
There is a DTA between Spain and the US, as a Spanish resident you'd pay⁠ 19% tax.

There is no DTA between Cyprus and the US, as a resident of⁤ Cyprus you'd have to pay the 30% US withholding tax.
 
As said already, 19% is up to 6000€. The rate is progressive ! See PWC⁤ source for Spain :

Dividend income​

Dividends and other income generated from holding interests in⁣ companies are included in PIT savings income and taxed at a 19% tax rate up⁢ to the first EUR 6,000 of income, a 21% tax rate for the following EUR︀ 6,000 to EUR 50,000 of income, a 23% tax rate for the following EUR 50,000︁ to EUR 200,000, a 27% tax rate for the following EUR 200,000 to EUR 300,000,︂ and a 28% tax rate on any remaining income.

Are you 100% sure there’s no︆ DTA between Cyprus and US ? I doubt it. But I might be wrong of︇ course …
 
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