Where to move to avoid the next pandemic's restrictions?
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I have chosen Bulgaria over Cyprus mainly because of the insane restrictions they had in Cyprus last winter (at some point they didn't allow people without vax to go to supermarkets). So far, it has been a good choice as the Bulgarian prime minister just announced that there wouldn't be any new restrictions over summer whereas Cyprus just reintroduced mask mandates and are planning to bring back vaxx passports in autumn.
But within the EU you can never be sure. The EU exerted pressure on Bulgaria to introduce the green pass although the majority of the population was against it (only 30% vaxx rate and︀ most of them probably fake vaxx certificates). As a rule of thumb, I would avoid︁ any country with high total debt to gdp rates as these need to control their︂ population with all kinds of "measures" and "propaganda" in face of the impending collapse of︃ their economies.
But within the EU you can never be sure. The EU exerted pressure on Bulgaria to introduce the green pass although the majority of the population was against it (only 30% vaxx rate and︀ most of them probably fake vaxx certificates). As a rule of thumb, I would avoid︁ any country with high total debt to gdp rates as these need to control their︂ population with all kinds of "measures" and "propaganda" in face of the impending collapse of︃ their economies.
I did a journey from north to south in the Americas and got as many residencies as I could in places that remained open or had lax enforcement of the rules or rules that were easy to get around and where the permit was cheap or available with an investment.
In the last 12 months I have gotten a 4yr temp res from Mexico and a 2yr temp res from Costa RIca. I have a student visa giving me a temp res in Guatemala, and perm res for Paraguay both in the works. (I would not recommend Costa RIca bc you have to pay an︀ expensive monthly fee for health and social security which I didnt realize). Paraguay is easy.︁ Mexico is easy if you start in your home country or let a 180 d︂ tourist visa expire.
My strategy is to get residencies in countries that share a border︃ e.g Mexico and Guatemala, so that one can drive to the other country in case︄ air travel becomes too restrictive due to rules or expensive. I will have Paraguay in︅ 3 months hopefully and then it will be a matter of getting an adjacent country︆ - e.g Argentina - I'm trying to see if it's possible to get the passport︇ after 2 yrs temp res without getting caught in the tax net.
Up to now︈ there have been countries where you could not enter unvaxd as a tourist, but where︉ you were exempt from the tourist restrictions if you were a resident. (Some of those︊ countries req'd perm res to be exempt or it wasnt clear from the wording.)
I figured I might as well get multiple residencies in one shot and then after a︋ few yrs I would be eligible for perm residency which might make things much more︌ secure in terms of exemptions. Even if most of the res permits turn out to︍ be a waste of time, having 1 or 2 secure places will have made it︎ worth it.
After the Americas, I will look at the Balkans.
In the last 12 months I have gotten a 4yr temp res from Mexico and a 2yr temp res from Costa RIca. I have a student visa giving me a temp res in Guatemala, and perm res for Paraguay both in the works. (I would not recommend Costa RIca bc you have to pay an︀ expensive monthly fee for health and social security which I didnt realize). Paraguay is easy.︁ Mexico is easy if you start in your home country or let a 180 d︂ tourist visa expire.
My strategy is to get residencies in countries that share a border︃ e.g Mexico and Guatemala, so that one can drive to the other country in case︄ air travel becomes too restrictive due to rules or expensive. I will have Paraguay in︅ 3 months hopefully and then it will be a matter of getting an adjacent country︆ - e.g Argentina - I'm trying to see if it's possible to get the passport︇ after 2 yrs temp res without getting caught in the tax net.
Up to now︈ there have been countries where you could not enter unvaxd as a tourist, but where︉ you were exempt from the tourist restrictions if you were a resident. (Some of those︊ countries req'd perm res to be exempt or it wasnt clear from the wording.)
I figured I might as well get multiple residencies in one shot and then after a︋ few yrs I would be eligible for perm residency which might make things much more︌ secure in terms of exemptions. Even if most of the res permits turn out to︍ be a waste of time, having 1 or 2 secure places will have made it︎ worth it.
After the Americas, I will look at the Balkans.
@WorldCitizen99 is it OK if I PM you so that we can connect via Telegram or Signal (or whatsapp even, but I prefer the first 2)?
It's always good to have like minded people in your contact list. Personally I am located in the Balkans so perhaps I can even help with language issues if you encounter any.
It's always good to have like minded people in your contact list. Personally I am located in the Balkans so perhaps I can even help with language issues if you encounter any.
If you're just a tourist I do not see a risk. If restrictions become extreme within crazy EU, just leave by then.
However, given the global economic situation and specifically the disastrous economic perspective of EU-countries (their former "economic powerhouse" will become a lame duck in winter due to lack of energy) it is highly unlikely that restrictions will be similar to what we have seen during 2020/2021.
Btw., a relatively safe place when it comes all this "pandemic"-nonsense is Egypt.
And the worst place to be (even worse than the︀ EU) during this "pandemic nonsense" is East Asia.
However, given the global economic situation and specifically the disastrous economic perspective of EU-countries (their former "economic powerhouse" will become a lame duck in winter due to lack of energy) it is highly unlikely that restrictions will be similar to what we have seen during 2020/2021.
Btw., a relatively safe place when it comes all this "pandemic"-nonsense is Egypt.
And the worst place to be (even worse than the︀ EU) during this "pandemic nonsense" is East Asia.
Maybe for pandemic issues but not for safety, lifestyle, general freedom, food security and a myriad of other issues
How is it there now with the whole Ukraine issue? I was always tempted to spend a few weeks on the ground but unsure if now is the time to do it.
How is it there now with the whole Ukraine issue? I was always tempted to spend a few weeks on the ground but unsure if now is the time to do it.
If you look for Western style "freedom" then, yes, Egypt indeed has severe restrictions. It is an autocratic country and always was. Adhere to the rules which are easy to follow and nobody disturbs you.
However, it is quite odd that you enquire about Belarus in the very same︀ post. Have you ever been to the "paradise" of Alexander Grigoryevich? Did you at least︁ read a bit about this country and its State Security Committee (КДБ РБ)??
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However, it is quite odd that you enquire about Belarus in the very same︀ post. Have you ever been to the "paradise" of Alexander Grigoryevich? Did you at least︁ read a bit about this country and its State Security Committee (КДБ РБ)??
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Fair point, I'm not very familiar with Belarus hence why I ask. Egypt I have never heard anything good about and especially given︀ the cultural and religious situation I'd assume Belarus has much less interest in making my︁ life difficult than Egypt.
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