Where should I put my level of risk? What are the real risk on a practical level?

Dasboot

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I just wonder what experience, knowledge and recommendations people here have on taking risks in general?

There will always be a risk-return assessment of course, and different areas carry different sets of risk. Some of these are new to me personally, both when it comes to business & personal matters.

Just to fill in some background: I'm not someone suddenly waking up and NOW wanting to dodge some radars & mess with some inhumane systems, during the past decades I've pulled off things like not paying taxes for shorter periods as well as not complying with stuff like a legal registered address.

The challenge now is that I almost feel a moral obligation to avoid, spoof and resist - I will NOT quietly go into a China-styled credit-score system!

I've had one personal rule so far: never faking any documents at all, never ordering anything delivered that is illegal on a serious level - in short, not doing anything where I could really get pinned down.

The intricacies of making 100% sure that one is not traceable in any ways are endless, even for someone who has dealt with command line linux & servers since 98. But NOW is the time to up that game for sure!

As an example I've now registered with Advcash with my real identity, and of course there is a problem with my proof of address. Would you take a chance sending in some document to just get that done, or will this be checked at some point?

Is the risk of setting it up completely with darks actually LESS than messing with documents connected to your real identity?

Another example is running my company here in Thailand, to "prime" the turnover a bit I've registered cash "payments" from a "customer" who is an old friend who would back me up if its ever checked. Also I've got two "workers" where I pay their social fees only, its the way things are done and no one expects otherwise.

In other words, here no one cares at all if you pay a certain level of taxes - immigration even mentions paying taxes to a certain level without real income in some of their material!

How do you assess the risks? Any advice is welcome!
 
Well i would send darks to them as proof of adress if it s the only stuff that blocks you.
They are just a bank in gibraltar... So if you re not a legal resident of gibraltar you dont give a dam fffffff about it.
Just use a good VPN anonymous surfing etc etc.... Worst case scenario in the worst of your nightmare someone ask questions there is no proof you sent thoose docs.
End of story
 
Thanks, guess you're right! 🙂

Just takes a while to get used to this type of risk assessments... Not that I'm perpetually scared of my own shadow, I enjoy doing dangerous stuff - but only after a good risk analysis!
 
Lelapinnoir said:
Well i would send darks to them as proof of adress if it s the only stuff that blocks you.
They are just a bank in gibraltar... So if you re not a legal resident of gibraltar you dont give a dam fffffff about it.
Just use a good VPN anonymous surfing etc etc.... Worst case scenario in the worst of your nightmare someone ask questions there is no proof you sent thoose docs.
End of story
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Using any king of dark for openning a bank account is criminal offence in the UK. Gibraltar is UK overseas territory and all criminal cases are not investigated in Gibraltar, but in United Kingdom. And it is a huuuuge difference. If you are willing to risk to be in a UK wanted persons list.. just risk it.. If you will be in taht list, you will never ever be able to travel anywhere without a huge troubles.
 
onemansomewhere said:
Using any king of dark for openning a bank account is criminal offence in the UK. Gibraltar is UK overseas territory and all criminal cases are not investigated in Gibraltar, but in United Kingdom. And it is a huuuuge difference. If you are willing to risk to be in a UK wanted persons list.. just risk it.. If you will be in taht list, you will never ever be able to travel anywhere without a huge troubles.
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Well i never heard of anyone, being chased for an account EMI opening with Darks. I am not talking about your passeport or ID i am talking in your case of utility bill....
EMI have tons of opening everymonth, do you think they will fill a complaint of each dark ?
Of course not, first they have no proof of it, second they should hire 20 lawyers each to fill the complaints....
They just ban your id in their EMI and if they use an ID CHECK PROVIDER then you are blocked with this company.

That s why they all go to video online verification. Limit the darks and have proof in case things go really south.

Again poster you dont give a flying fffff for a UB. But that s your final choice, and as a general discalimer :

I will never recommend anyone to break the law and do unlawful things. Even when you cross the street wait for the redlight.
 
Thanks! Intuitively know you´re right 🙂

The past months I've concluded definitely for the rest of my life on one thing: trying to follow ALL rules and regulation in this global nightmare actually is far more dangerous than say the traffic in Asia!
 
Lelapinnoir said:
Well i never heard of anyone, being chased for an account EMI opening with Darks. I am not talking about your passeport or ID i am talking in your case of utility bill....
EMI have tons of opening everymonth, do you think they will fill a complaint of each dark ?
Of course not, first they have no proof of it, second they should hire 20 lawyers each to fill the complaints....
They just ban your id in their EMI and if they use an ID CHECK PROVIDER then you are blocked with this company.

That s why they all go to video online verification. Limit the darks and have proof in case things go really south.

Again poster you dont give a flying fffff for a UB. But that s your final choice, and as a general discalimer :

I will never recommend anyone to break the law and do unlawful things. Even when you cross the street wait for the redlight.
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Why you have not ever heard about anyone to be in a prison for openning an account with darks? Easy answer. No one will call you from the prison and say: Hi you, I aim in a prison.. and do you know why? For using a fake documents... Absolutely no one when arrested will just tell to anyone about their experience.. and when released, be absolutely sure, will never ever think about doing it again, nor writing here..

I believe, you know very little about background systems of EMIs. The most of them are running their business in a very strict enviroment. They have to employ many people just go go aover all provded documents. Over and over and over again. They usuay use also software for detecting all kind of fake documents. Including utility bills. Databases of this softwares have a millions and millions of fakes. And it is very probable to be caught.
They are obliged by the law to inform a police about any fake document found. Also when they are not sure. Just having some kind of suspicion is enough. And they do it. The most of EMIs have automated system to generate reports to criminal investigation authorities and it is sent automaticaly. No 20 lawyers are needed. We live in a 21st century. If they do not do it, next time inspection will stop their activities and start processes for witholding a license..
You know really nothing about how it wirks in a backgroud.. I know it.. I am a lawyer and we have created a processes for few companies in financial sector. It is soooo funny to read things whith you write.. it is like 8 years boy just having passed a 3rd grade in a primary school want to write about high mathematics learned in a university..
 
onemansomewhere said:
Why you have not ever heard about anyone to be in a prison for openning an account with darks? Easy answer. No one will call you from the prison and say: Hi you, I aim in a prison.. and do you know why? For using a fake documents... Absolutely no one when arrested will just tell to anyone about their experience.. and when released, be absolutely sure, will never ever think about doing it again, nor writing here..

I believe, you know very little about background systems of EMIs. The most of them are running their business in a very strict enviroment. They have to employ many people just go go aover all provded documents. Over and over and over again. They usuay use also software for detecting all kind of fake documents. Including utility bills. Databases of this softwares have a millions and millions of fakes. And it is very probable to be caught.
They are obliged by the law to inform a police about any fake document found. Also when they are not sure. Just having some kind of suspicion is enough. And they do it. The most of EMIs have automated system to generate reports to criminal investigation authorities and it is sent automaticaly. No 20 lawyers are needed. We live in a 21st century. If they do not do it, next time inspection will stop their activities and start processes for witholding a license..
You know really nothing about how it wirks in a backgroud.. I know it.. I am a lawyer and we have created a processes for few companies in financial sector. It is soooo funny to read things whith you write.. it is like 8 years boy just having passed a 3rd grade in a primary school want to write about high mathematics learned in a university..
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Thanks... So, no messing with anything connected to oneself directly and formally then, just keep going the way I've always done on that part...
 
Dasboot said:
Thanks... So, no messing with anything connected to oneself directly and formally then, just keep going the way I've always done on that part...
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There is a solution for almost every one situation. The most of people doing illegal things is based just on their lazyness.
 
Anyways, i am not here to explain you what i know or what i dont know......

But i respect the effort you put in your answers.

To @Poster : You came on this forum to have some point of views you, now you have.

I personally dont care what you will do in the future or not, this is not my problem and i have nothing to sell....

So to conclude : YMMV and good luck
 
Lelapinnoir said:
Anyways, i am not here to explain you what i know or what i dont know......

But i respect the effort you put in your answers.

To @Poster : You came on this forum to have some point of views you, now you have.

I personally dont care what you will do in the future or not, this is not my problem and i have nothing to sell....

So to conclude : YMMV and good luck
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YMMV always varies!

And you're right, I've got some points of view and impressions at least...

One of which is that this type of forum is very different than what I'm used to so far!

Won't really say its all a bunch of cynics, thats far too easy and a lazy conclusion - but there is certainly a higher ratio of the "I don't care if you burn" than other places, hehe...

Personally I've realised that the "cage" that has been built by the banking and internet giants the past years is extremely finely meshed, and the voltage set on that cage is far too high for me personally to be worth it doing things that are completely black hat.

That being said I feel far better here than in any PC-ravaged forum full of sheep, and when/if the need arise for me to really resist I know a bit more!

So I guess thats it, I'll remain 100% white hat for now, partly because of any real consequences being far higher where I live now than in a cozy but crumbling welfare state...

But that does not make me NOT respect certain aspects of what people deal with here! 🙂
 

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