What is the most anonymous crypto currency to pay with?

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I heard GRIN coin is a new privacy coin under development. Trading on many exchanges already.
 
Get your BTC, on a “anonymous pc” (vpn+tor+vpn and let say virtual machine with windows) set up a wallet app and receive your btc. Then convert it to dash /monero etc. and transfer to “anonymous pc2 or hardware wallet.

not sure why you want to do such conspiracy because most of the things we do is within legal framework.

worst case as someone suggested you could send it to exchange which is verified to “someone one else” but you have control of the account.
 
SaintVince said:
Get your BTC, on a “anonymous pc” (vpn+tor+vpn and let say virtual machine with windows) set up a wallet app and receive your btc. Then convert it to dash /monero etc. and transfer to “anonymous pc2 or hardware wallet.
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do you believe this is still a valid solution, if you would set a percentage to how secure this is, how many percent would you rate it, 80, 90% more?

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80% secure. You want to make sure you use a NEW COMPUTER or other NEW DVICE to access to the Internet. Every device you use has to be paid without your name and in CASH!

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clemens said:
do you believe this is still a valid solution, if you would set a percentage to how secure this is, how many percent would you rate it, 80, 90% more?
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I would say it is 99.99% secure. Using new computers is ot required as I mentioned you can do the whole process with virtualbox machines either windows or Linux. I would set it up dry easily to hide my trails but you can also do the same.

mostof the problems happen when people try to cash large amounts and get into situations like in another thread where receiving bank might ask you for source of funds etc.

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SaintVince said:
as I mentioned you can do the whole process with virtualbox machines
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how will you access these virtual boxes ? you will leave trailing logs.

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blueweb said:
how will you access these virtual boxes ? you will leave trailing logs.
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It is possible to hide the trails. I've done several set ups for reporters visiting various areas where they check your computers etc and no issues.

as a ready out of the box set up check kodachi os, it is pretty much set up for you, just need to select proxies or vpns to hide the tor exit nodes.
 
SaintVince said:
as a ready out of the box set up check kodachi os, it is pretty much set up for you, just need to select proxies or vpns to hide the tor exit nodes.
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Yeah, after posting this I checked a firewall that is able to hide the exite nodes of TOR but still not convience if it really is sufficient. Anyway, will have to check the OS you suggested, assume it is this one Linux Kodachi 6.2 The Secure OS | Eagle Eye | Nonprofit Organization

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How would moving BTC from one wallet to another be private? It can all be traced on the blockchain anyway, so there is always a chance that some logs or whatever from the first transaction can be matched together - if a LOT of resources is put into it, of course!

There is a reason that hackers breaching exchanges often leave, or move around their coins without being able to cash out in fiat - there are lots of scammed people following the transactions...

Exchanging into Monero on the first device and then back to BTC on the second, completely untraceable one though - then there should be NO way of tracing this!


You'd end up with BTC that you can provide no provenance for of course, but that should be what you actually want in this case 🙂
 
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How would moving BTC from one wallet to another be private? It can all be traced on the blockchain anyway, so there is always a chance that some logs or whatever from the first transaction can be matched together - if a LOT of resources is put into it, of course!

There is a reason that hackers breaching exchanges often leave, or move around their coins without being able to cash out in fiat - there are lots of scammed people following the transactions...

Exchanging into Monero on the first device and then back to BTC on the second, completely untraceable one though - then there should be NO way of tracing this!


You'd end up with BTC that you can provide no provenance for of course, but that should be what you actually want in this case 🙂
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There's some tools to hide Btc flows using multiple transaction, quite costly but effective

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Bitcoin has paper wallets you can get from ATMs and a few other places. On and off, a few private companies have issued physical Bitcoin tokens.

The first and the last to approach a central KYC hub will be identified (either to buy or to cash-in). Anything that happens in between remains untraceable, off the public ledger.
 
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The first and the last to approach a central KYC hub will be identified (either to buy or to cash-in)
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Sorry can you please elaborate on this part?

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clemens said:
do you believe this is still a valid solution, if you would set a percentage to how secure this is, how many percent would you rate it, 80, 90% more?
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It's impossible to set a precentage for this.
Every code has bugs and so it's just a question of time when it is possible to trace the transactions of this setup.
But i assume it will take 10 years or more.
 
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Sorry can you please elaborate on this part?
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Not news-worthy info that a buyer of a physical token or paper wallet of significant value is subject to KYC.

But nobody said that the person who bought it can't trade that wallet/token to someone else, like drugs for cash, but drugs for a BTC paper wallet instead.

KYC/AML applicable to crypto ATMs assumes that the buyer transfers coins to his own wallet. That's also where virtually every BTC privacy-penetration software is vulnerable and easy to mislead.
 
icecold said:
I was wondering after all the talk about bitcoin not to be anonymous any longer than what crypto currency is anonymous now a days?

ZCash is one of the only I have heard that is still anonymous, but is this the only one?
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You can check Monero, Verge, Zcash and dash
 
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