What amounts are safe to deposit with EMI's?

MikeRoss

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100k, 200k EUR ...

Is it safe to deposit such amounts with EMI's such as Wise, Advcash, Intergiro, Koalapays, and similar?

Is it better to transfer all amount at once, or it's better to divide to smaller amounts like 50k or 25k Eur each?
 
Those are very different EMIs.

Wise is profitable and one of the largest on the market. High value transactions are not a problem as long as you can back them up with supporting documents. They do not have a very high risk appetite, so make sure your business activities fall in line with their AUP.

Advcash seems to focus on high-risk clients and has a reputation for tolerating activities which require significant skills to effectively manage without risking regulatory sanctions and losing correspondence relationships.

Intergiro has problematic owners/history.

Koalapays has problematic owners/history.

Assess the risks based not only on whether an EMI is an EMI. Not all EMIs are the same.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.
 
Sols said:
Those are very different EMIs.

Wise is profitable and one of the largest on the market. High value transactions are not a problem as long as you can back them up with supporting documents. They do not have a very high risk appetite, so make sure your business activities fall in line with their AUP.

Advcash seems to focus on high-risk clients and has a reputation for tolerating activities which require significant skills to effectively manage without risking regulatory sanctions and losing correspondence relationships.

Intergiro has problematic owners/history.

Koalapays has problematic owners/history.

Assess the risks based not only on whether an EMI is an EMI. Not all EMIs are the same.
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It shouldn't be problems with Wise if money comes from the same company's bank account, that has an account with Wise? I would just deposit money from bank acc to Wise acc
 
MikeBlazer said:
Is it better to transfer all amount at once, or it's better to divide to smaller amounts like 50k or 25k Eur each?
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Best to speak to the EMI beforehand before any transfer rather than structure the transfers. Once they detect structuring you may have your account blocked. In general although your money maybe segregated even with a sh1tty EMI you run the risk that your money could be blocked with them for inexcess of a year like what happened to Epayments users.

At end of day keep large amounts either in a quality EMI like Wise or a real bank.

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Please note my posts should not be taken as financial or tax advice. Please seek professional advice in that respect.
 
MikeBlazer said:
It shouldn't be problems with Wise if money comes from the same company's bank account, that has an account with Wise? I would just deposit money from bank acc to Wise acc
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Transactions receive a risk score based on nearly every possible detail about the transaction. While internal transactions within an institution are generally lower risk, you're still subject to an automatic system that scores your transaction. If the risk score is high enough, it can and will be held in review while supporting documents are requested.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.
 
Sols said:
Transactions receive a risk score based on nearly every possible detail about the transaction. While internal transactions within an institution are generally lower risk, you're still subject to an automatic system that scores your transaction. If the risk score is high enough, it can and will be held in review while supporting documents are requested.
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What supporting documents? Company moves money from one account to another, both belonging to the company: from company's bank acc to company's EMI acc.
 
Interesting topic. I was wondering the same a long time ago.
It's safe to use a EMI like a common bank? Ex: park some money with long term horizon and a few transactions per year (most deposits and maybe one or two withdrawals)
 
MikeBlazer said:
What supporting documents? Company moves money from one account to another, both belonging to the company: from company's bank acc to company's EMI acc.
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Wise might still ask where the money originally came from.

jjrapy said:
It's safe to use a EMI like a common bank? Ex: park some money with long term horizon and a few transactions per year (most deposits and maybe one or two withdrawals)
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EMIs are arguably safer than banks, since EMIs are required to maintain 100% reserves. These reserves are checked frequently, leaving very little room for EMIs to get creative with your money. The obvious drawback is this makes it harder for them to make a profit since they can't issue credit.

In a very oversimplified way, you could say:
  • EMI: funds are safe, but the institution itself might struggle.
  • Bank: funds only protected up to deposit insurance (if any), institution has more options to remain solvent.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.
 
Sols said:
Wise might still ask where the money originally came from.


EMIs are arguably safer than banks, since EMIs are required to maintain 100% reserves. These reserves are checked frequently, leaving very little room for EMIs to get creative with your money. The obvious drawback is this makes it harder for them to make a profit since they can't issue credit.

In a very oversimplified way, you could say:
  • EMI: funds are safe, but the institution itself might struggle.
  • Bank: funds only protected up to deposit insurance (if any), institution has more options to remain solvent.
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Great! Thanks for the answer.

So, if the EMI struggle I should expect to lose my money or that they will return to my bank account and dissolve?
So no EMI has an insurance like FDIC ?
 
jjrapy said:
So, if the EMI struggle I should expect to lose my money or that they will return to my bank account and dissolve?
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If an EMI goes under, your funds are still kept safe in a special account that creditors cannot access. You will get your money out.

jjrapy said:
So no EMI has an insurance like FDIC ?
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EMIs do not have a deposit insurance, because funds are already kept at 100% reserve.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.
 
I see six and seven figure amounts flowing through Wise on a monthly basis with some customers. But don't use Wise if your business activities fall outside of their AUP/Acceptable Use Policy. If you are unsure, speak with them in advance.

Freezing accounts and holding balances is not in the best interest of a financial institution. It's a guaranteed financial loss and reserved for customers/transactions that have significant risk indicators. Sometimes the wrong decision is made, but the systems are so well honed nowadays the false positives rates are very low.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.
 
Well, I've got an account with Wise already, successfully went through KYC. I have agreements and invoices to prove the origin.

However, it may be hard to to prove the origin of money that company has accumulated through years of operation. Should I provide invoices for like 5 last years as a proof so I could deposit larger amounts from company's bank acc?
 
MikeBlazer said:
Well, I've got an account with Wise already, successfully went through KYC. I have agreements and invoices to prove the origin.

However, it may be hard to to prove the origin of money that company has accumulated through years of operation. Should I provide invoices for like 5 last years as a proof so I could deposit larger amounts from company's bank acc?
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I see, thank you
 

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