USA LLC vs Armenia LLC for a EU resident
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What? Why would there be WHT?
The interesting question is where you live, not where your customers are.
The interesting question is where you live, not where your customers are.
There won’t be any tax savings if you want to stay legal. Only additional reporting requirements and costs.
Unless you want to physically move, you can choose 2 out of 3:
- legal
- cheap
- (substantial) tax savings
All 3 at the same time are only possible if you physically move your butt to a country with lower taxes.
Unless you want to physically move, you can choose 2 out of 3:
- legal
- cheap
- (substantial) tax savings
All 3 at the same time are only possible if you physically move your butt to a country with lower taxes.
Well, you do not need issue invoice with EU VAT , which is already a ~20% (depending your EU country), yo do not need to do complex accounting every few months, but once a year, and depending on your country you will save some monthly fees for being self employed. I thinks that's quite a lot of "savings" already 🙂
Regarding income tax, yes, there won't be any savings there, but I see a lot of other advantages here.
Regarding income tax, yes, there won't be any savings there, but I see a lot of other advantages here.
You are completely wrong, unfortunately. How dumb do you think your country’s government is? “Oh, you don’t want to pay VAT or follow our accounting laws? Sure, just register your company somewhere else and do what you want!”
But of course you might get lucky and fly under the radar with such an ILLEGAL setup. As I wrote, you can pick 2 out of 3.
But of course you might get lucky and fly under the radar with such an ILLEGAL setup. As I wrote, you can pick 2 out of 3.
Totally understand your point here, and I come across the same though but as far as I know having and LLC and being an EU resident is not illegal at all. Many people use this also to manage their Amazon︀ shops.
I can understand if I open a bakery in my country (EU) and open︁ an USA LLC to manage the bakery, to avoid paying VAT they will come after︂ you, LOL.
But I have 0 clients from my own country, and all is digital︃ services. In any case I will try to find more info just in case I︄ missed some point on why this could be illegal, as I would like to sleep︅ well at night haha
*If you have a link pointing to that info pls share!︆
No idea about that kind of︇ services. 🙂
I can understand if I open a bakery in my country (EU) and open︁ an USA LLC to manage the bakery, to avoid paying VAT they will come after︂ you, LOL.
But I have 0 clients from my own country, and all is digital︃ services. In any case I will try to find more info just in case I︄ missed some point on why this could be illegal, as I would like to sleep︅ well at night haha
*If you have a link pointing to that info pls share!︆
No idea about that kind of︇ services. 🙂
It is not illegal if you pay the VAT and all other local taxes and also follow the local accounting requirements. But then there are no tax savings, obviously (pick 2 out of 3). What you are looking for is “permanent establishment” - google it.
Since you are running things from your country, it is just like a bakery. It is completely irrelevant where your customers are or whether you are making bread or selling stuff online. You have permanent establishment (effective place of management) in your country. There are ways to work around that, but they aren’t cheap (pick 2 out of 3).
If you don’t believe me, ask your tax office. They will tell you the same thing.︀
Since you are running things from your country, it is just like a bakery. It is completely irrelevant where your customers are or whether you are making bread or selling stuff online. You have permanent establishment (effective place of management) in your country. There are ways to work around that, but they aren’t cheap (pick 2 out of 3).
If you don’t believe me, ask your tax office. They will tell you the same thing.︀
You should probably talk to an accountant in your own country first and ask what ways of optimization they can recommend. 60k isn’t a lot of money, so other optimizations probably aren’t worth it, unless you want to break the rules or you expect higher profits soon.
Everybody is just looking for the best possible solution. Is it worthwile? I think looking into how easy you can get out of it also matters. In my country BE administration and exit is costly...
Why does it need to be so complicated! More people would/could build upon great ideas/services to serve the community if it wasn't so complicated and overtaxed!
Why does it need to be so complicated! More people would/could build upon great ideas/services to serve the community if it wasn't so complicated and overtaxed!
Everybody is just looking for the best possible solution. Is it worthwile? I think looking into how easy you can get out of it also matters. In my country BE administration and exit is costly...
Why does it need to be so complicated! More people would/could build upon great ideas/services to serve the community if it wasn't so complicated and overtaxed!
Why does it need to be so complicated! More people would/could build upon great ideas/services to serve the community if it wasn't so complicated and overtaxed!
@JustAnotherNomad is spot on, whether you like it or not. Unless you're willing to either physically move out of the EU for 183+ days a year or take on a significant cost base for an international structure, there will be no tax savings for you with the structures you're proposing.
And "a lot of people are doing that" means nada. I spend most of my time in Georgia, where "a lot of people" move to every year, thinking that territorial taxation means freelancers who live here but have clients elsewhere aren't taxed, "because some blogs say so and other people are doing it". When they︀ step in for a consulting session and realize that they in fact owe a significant︁ amount in back taxes, and will be taxed at the full 20% (while had they︂ set things up properly, it could've easily been 1%), they usually go through all 7︃ stages of grief.
And "a lot of people are doing that" means nada. I spend most of my time in Georgia, where "a lot of people" move to every year, thinking that territorial taxation means freelancers who live here but have clients elsewhere aren't taxed, "because some blogs say so and other people are doing it". When they︀ step in for a consulting session and realize that they in fact owe a significant︁ amount in back taxes, and will be taxed at the full 20% (while had they︂ set things up properly, it could've easily been 1%), they usually go through all 7︃ stages of grief.
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