UAE to introduce 9% corporate tax on business profits from June 1, 2023 (FZCO REMAINS 0%)
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The problem is not the filing, it's the paperwork, and by paperwork,︄ I mean auditing,
damn, can you imagine the 100s of people who were not keeping︅ proper records and suddenly need to "make sense" of their financials to the tax authority.︆ What a massive shitshow that will be 🙂
I for my self always say: "keep proper︇ records, even if not required" but nobody listens, because "other people do it, so why︈ not me". This mentality will seriously f**k a lot of people, and I hope that︉ people are preparing for what's about to come.
No, if it's under your name, you won't be taxes because it's︎ treated as "personal investments" and thus taxed at the personal level which is 0%.
If you invest under an foreign LLC and you manage it from the UAE, you would️ trigger PE laws and you would be taxed at the corporate level, and in the past the tax would be 0%. would this change? who tf knows, only time will tell.
damn, can you imagine the 100s of people who were not keeping︅ proper records and suddenly need to "make sense" of their financials to the tax authority.︆ What a massive shitshow that will be 🙂
I for my self always say: "keep proper︇ records, even if not required" but nobody listens, because "other people do it, so why︈ not me". This mentality will seriously f**k a lot of people, and I hope that︉ people are preparing for what's about to come.
No, if it's under your name, you won't be taxes because it's︎ treated as "personal investments" and thus taxed at the personal level which is 0%.
If you invest under an foreign LLC and you manage it from the UAE, you would️ trigger PE laws and you would be taxed at the corporate level, and in the past the tax would be 0%. would this change? who tf knows, only time will tell.
I just watched a video on youtube of a vlogging couple relocating from UK to Dubai. They went to a company service provider and decided to open a freezone company. Lawyer mentioned that you have to visit UAE once every 365 days and that it used to be once every 180 days. @Fred do you know anything about that? Fakenews? I checked u.ae website and they still mention once every 180 days.
investor visa is once every 365 days i know that, but whats the point if you cant even do 1 in 180, might as well send the money to charity instead. If you count every penny dont bother
Quite frankly, dont do dubai or any offshore blablabla route for anything less than 100-200 k of income and accept the upheaval. Better to have 25% tax of 10 million then to have 0% of 300k
Quite frankly, dont do dubai or any offshore blablabla route for anything less than 100-200 k of income and accept the upheaval. Better to have 25% tax of 10 million then to have 0% of 300k
If you go the property route you can get an investor visa which indeed allows you to visit only every 365 days the UAE - however that's not possible through FZCO incorporation - Ras Al Khaimah did issued in the past investor visas︀ through FZE incorporation - however they had still the requirement of the 180 days. Which︁ makes sense as the Visa through the company always follow the fact that you are︂ employee of the company somehow.
llc mainland gets you a partner visa, also 365 days - as its an investor, albeit they give the visa with the once in 185 days warning for some reason.
I really don't think that a 9% tax will get the UAE out from the blacklist, at least not from UE countries. You would need at least 15 or 20 and for sure Freezones too. I think this is a move to get more money from people who are exploiting the system, and get more money from companies which are to radicated in the UAE to move. It's like Netflix raising prices or Google Maps API asking for money after years of giving away the service for free, you start low and then start raising prices when people are used to the ecosystem.
Also this︀ is to counteract the fact that you could abuse freelance permits or remote working visas︁ with LLCs, where you could have a cheap LLC, a remote working visa, and clean︂ a lot of money with 600$ a year, so I guess that, like @Fred said in another topic, they will start to be picky about who gets a tax certificate:︃ I would say that up to 200k with a remote work visa and LLC would︄ be ok, but above that they want your money and you have to open a︅ freezone company. Which is ok if you are making 200k or more of profit, you︆ can take the hit. Remember that the UAE is not a democratic country, they issuing︇ of a tax certificate is discretionary, so playing by the unwritten rules is mandatory.
In any case what makes the UAE broken, in a digital nomad / ecommerce world, is︈ the enter once every 180 days and still be resident with no CRS rule, in︉ a country which is a 5h direct flight from most UE capitals.
Also this︀ is to counteract the fact that you could abuse freelance permits or remote working visas︁ with LLCs, where you could have a cheap LLC, a remote working visa, and clean︂ a lot of money with 600$ a year, so I guess that, like @Fred said in another topic, they will start to be picky about who gets a tax certificate:︃ I would say that up to 200k with a remote work visa and LLC would︄ be ok, but above that they want your money and you have to open a︅ freezone company. Which is ok if you are making 200k or more of profit, you︆ can take the hit. Remember that the UAE is not a democratic country, they issuing︇ of a tax certificate is discretionary, so playing by the unwritten rules is mandatory.
In any case what makes the UAE broken, in a digital nomad / ecommerce world, is︈ the enter once every 180 days and still be resident with no CRS rule, in︉ a country which is a 5h direct flight from most UE capitals.
I can't agree on some points.
As of now the UAE is whitelisted︌ everywhere - no matter if EU or FATF.
If you put everything in an perspective︍ - not many are "exploiting" the system - the deal for the average joe -︎ thinking about all the Brits in the Real Estate is that they earn the 2-3x️ compared to the UK while living in the dessert - all this guy's living 30-45 minutes away from prime locations to have the same rent price like somewhere in a village in the UK by earning more.
Should this change - simply no one is living any longer in the dessert the whole year - same for the Real Estate - it has to be further tax free otherwise it would be simply the beginning of the end.
UAE is far away from being another Germany that can exploit the people and makes them impossible to leave after years of living there.
UAE needs to︀ attract new people and new money otherwise they can't realize there own goals - look︁ at Dubai 2040.
What they are actually doing is already working very well - tourism︂ has already taxes per night, service charge here and there - Real Estate has the︃ 4% Dubai Land Department Fee per Transaction etc.
So for now nothing has changed and︄ if things change dramatically you hear it here first - actually we are far away︅ from this - everything is full full and full - "sorry fully booked out" is︆ what you get for the weekend if you not going to book 1 week upfront︇ for a good restaurant.
As of now the UAE is whitelisted︌ everywhere - no matter if EU or FATF.
If you put everything in an perspective︍ - not many are "exploiting" the system - the deal for the average joe -︎ thinking about all the Brits in the Real Estate is that they earn the 2-3x️ compared to the UK while living in the dessert - all this guy's living 30-45 minutes away from prime locations to have the same rent price like somewhere in a village in the UK by earning more.
Should this change - simply no one is living any longer in the dessert the whole year - same for the Real Estate - it has to be further tax free otherwise it would be simply the beginning of the end.
UAE is far away from being another Germany that can exploit the people and makes them impossible to leave after years of living there.
UAE needs to︀ attract new people and new money otherwise they can't realize there own goals - look︁ at Dubai 2040.
What they are actually doing is already working very well - tourism︂ has already taxes per night, service charge here and there - Real Estate has the︃ 4% Dubai Land Department Fee per Transaction etc.
So for now nothing has changed and︄ if things change dramatically you hear it here first - actually we are far away︅ from this - everything is full full and full - "sorry fully booked out" is︆ what you get for the weekend if you not going to book 1 week upfront︇ for a good restaurant.
FATF list they might not avoid. We will see this by the end of this month.
Regarding tax I don't think their goal is to collect "tax". They still live of oil economy.
About freezones I agree. I don't think "freezone" status will allow just to pull back FATF 🙂
Anyway, I believe they would introduce stickter measures for tax residence certificates both individuals and companies.
They can simply stop issuing tax certificates for those who do not stay those 183 days. For freezone companies they can start requiring real offices and real employees.
Both case it's a problem because nobody stay there 183 days and︀ freezones are just another "Seychelles IBC"
Regarding tax I don't think their goal is to collect "tax". They still live of oil economy.
About freezones I agree. I don't think "freezone" status will allow just to pull back FATF 🙂
Anyway, I believe they would introduce stickter measures for tax residence certificates both individuals and companies.
They can simply stop issuing tax certificates for those who do not stay those 183 days. For freezone companies they can start requiring real offices and real employees.
Both case it's a problem because nobody stay there 183 days and︀ freezones are just another "Seychelles IBC"
Yes, but its like economy engine. Having oil money they can avoid introducing tax'es
How the government would collect funds if not oil money or tax
And yes, it's temporary. This city has no long term future. After oil end , the UAE will end as we see today, because it's not the place for person to live in a desert
UAE is not Germany, where you introduce 45% and people pay and stay. Most of people in UAE are imigrants from India, Pakist. They︀ just return home
How the government would collect funds if not oil money or tax
And yes, it's temporary. This city has no long term future. After oil end , the UAE will end as we see today, because it's not the place for person to live in a desert
UAE is not Germany, where you introduce 45% and people pay and stay. Most of people in UAE are imigrants from India, Pakist. They︀ just return home
Dubai AFAIK has no oil, the other emirates have oil.
In My home country Dubai is blacklisted both︎ for people and companies. TYhat means that people moving to Dubai have the burdenb of️ proving that they left the country, not the opposite. This will not change with a 9% tax. And I'm not saying I am not bullish on the future of Dubai, it still amazes me that people want to go there on vacation, but it's a great place where to live
In My home country Dubai is blacklisted both︎ for people and companies. TYhat means that people moving to Dubai have the burdenb of️ proving that they left the country, not the opposite. This will not change with a 9% tax. And I'm not saying I am not bullish on the future of Dubai, it still amazes me that people want to go there on vacation, but it's a great place where to live
That's what I was thinking. A lot of people are in Dubai for economic reasons. Not many people would choose to live under a dictatorship that taxes you right? damn_(
But maybe I am wrong and a low tax dictatorship works for some foreigners conf/(%.
But maybe I am wrong and a low tax dictatorship works for some foreigners conf/(%.
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