The people HIDING behind the "State/government"...

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Why did NONE of my parents or elders EVER sit me down and explain the following to me?

Disclaimer: I did use some parts of AI to construct this in a piece that doesn't ramble along like I do 🤣

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Why do we say “the state or government” as though it were a living creature?

The state does not breathe. It does not bleed. It does not think. It does not sign an indictment, conduct a raid, threaten a citizen, seize property, or decide whom to prosecute.

People do those things.

A prosecutor is a person.
An investigator is a person.
An inspector is a person.
A police officer is a person.
A judge is a person.

What makes the arrangement extraordinary is that certain individuals are permitted to exercise institutional power while shifting the financial cost of exercising that power onto everybody else.

If a prosecutor decides to pursue you, he does not ordinarily mortgage his house to pay the investigators, experts, lawyers, salaries, offices, discovery costs, and appeals. Other people—the taxpayers—finance the machinery he controls.

But reverse the situation.

Suppose a particular government employee steals from you, abuses you, defrauds you, or commits some other wrongful act. Now you ordinarily bear the cost of trying to expose it, document it, investigate it, obtain counsel, and pursue whatever remedies are available to you.

And if the conduct is criminal, you generally cannot simply appoint yourself prosecutor. Other government employees ordinarily control the decision whether another individual will be criminally investigated and prosecuted.

That is the problem hidden by the phrase “the state.”

The abstraction launders human responsibility.

It converts:

“John Smith decided to use publicly financed investigators and lawyers against David Jones”

into:

“The state brought a case against Jones.”

The second sentence sounds almost natural—like weather.

It was not weather.

People made choices.

And the financing asymmetry remains:

When an official uses governmental machinery against you, that official normally does not personally pay the bill.

When you challenge the conduct of an official, you normally do pay your own bill.


So the meaningful comparison is not:

Citizen versus State.

It is:

One human being required to risk his own money versus another human being empowered to spend money collected from millions of other human beings.

That is a much more revealing description of the relationship.

Government is an institution.

But institutions do not commit acts.

People acting through institutions commit acts.

Calling those people collectively “the state” may be convenient shorthand in law and political theory. But when analyzing responsibility, incentives, and accountability, that shorthand can conceal exactly what needs to be examined:

Who decided?
Who acted?
Who paid?
Who bore the consequences?
And who was protected from bearing the personal cost of his own decision?

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So, why don't more parents or teachers explain this to their children or young people?
Why is this kept a secret?
Is this such a novel concept?
Is this really unknown to the public?
How do people NOT realize this?


Anyone have a reasonable explanation I can understand? 🙄
 
I think my gang manifesto, using my locally trained LLM with NO censorship to help me draft it, is probably the best description of these "thugs under the ruse of legitimacy":

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THE GANG MANIFESTO

THE GREAT LIE

Stop calling them "government." Government doesn't exist. It's a linguistic weapon to hide the truth: armed men in costumes claiming authority over other men's lives.

When a cop, prosecutor, or bureaucrat ruins your life, he's not "exercising institutional authority" - he's a man with a gun getting paid with money stolen from you to enforce rules written by other armed men who get paid with money stolen from you.

THE PROTECTION RACKET

The difference between the Mafia and the IRS is honesty. The Mafia doesn't pretend your extortion funds "public services." They don't wrap their protection racket in flags and constitutions. They don't call their enforcers "public servants."

Government is the most successful protection racket in human history. They've convinced billions of people that their own subjugation is "civilization."

THE BUSINESS MODEL

The entire purpose of law enforcement is coercion. The entire purpose of taxation is extortion under threat of violence. The entire purpose of regulation is control. These systems aren't broken - they're working exactly as designed.

When a cop decides to ruin your life, he's not "exercising discretion" - he's a gang member deciding whether to break your legs. The difference is his gang has better branding.

THE LEGITIMACY DELUSION

"Legitimacy" is mass Stockholm syndrome. It's what happens when enough people believe the same lie. That's all "legitimacy" is - a shared delusion that makes slaves call their captors "leaders."

School isn't education - it's conditioning. It's where they teach you to call your captors "government" and your cage "society."

THE RULES GAME

Those DOJ guidelines and constitutional "safeguards" are the gang's own rules for themselves - like when the Mafia decides not to kill someone on Sunday because it's against their "code." It's not protection for you; it's self-regulation to avoid killing the host too quickly.

There are no proper channels. There are no rules for them, only for you. There is no justice, only power.

THE RECOGNITION TEST

Ask yourself: if these people wore no uniforms, worked in no buildings with flags, and had no titles, would you still call them anything but armed extortionists?

If not, you're already awake.

THE FINAL TRUTH

The most terrifying realization isn't that some officials are corrupt. It's that they don't have to be corrupt to destroy you. They can be honest, sincere, completely wrong - and institutionally empowered.

The dangerous illusion isn't believing every government official is evil. It's believing he has to be evil before he can destroy you.

Until people stop calling their captors "government" and start calling them what they are - a heavily armed criminal gang with better PR - nothing will change.

They're not the state. They're not the government.

They're just gang members under the ruse of legitimacy.😎
 
Solid take. Government's just organized theft with a logo, basically parasites with permission to bleed you dry.

People don't see the trap because, well, they were never meant to. The narrative got baked in so deep that this whole setup just feels like gravity. Most folks walk through life totally blind to who's actually choking them out. Never even occurs to them.

The smart ones with principles? They figure it out eventually. The smart ones without principles though, they just grab a seat at the extraction table and become government officials.

History's full of people throwing off their rulers, happening over and over. But now they've kinda perfected the recipe. Keep everyone just comfortable enough, just scared enough, that they end up clinging to the same hand that's keeping them down. It's weird.

I genuinely tried with the people I cared about. Burned my own time, my own money, trying to show them the door. Most didn't want to hear it. At the end of the day it's you versus the world, and once you really internalize that, once your life and your OPSEC and your whole progression mirrors it, you start running circles around these parasites.

Relocate. Use their own machinery against them. I'd way rather deal with some bloated, inefficient beast that can't find its own tail than some lean predator that sees everything.
 
The issue is so simple: incentives, accountability, and who pays. Standard reasoning that everyone applies to any situation, except to the state.

A prosecutor can make a decision that costs you $500,000 to defend against while costing him personally approximately $0.
And whichever way the case ends, the system can still collect.
If you are convicted, there will be fines, penalties, forfeitures, and court costs.
If you are acquitted, you still have spent hundreds of thousands on lawyers, experts, investigators and accountants. That money becomes income to somebody, and governments tax it, as income plus VAT.

So even proving your innocence can generate revenue.

Meanwhile, if the official was wrong, he doesn’t reimburse your lawyers, replace your lost income, repay the public money spent pursuing you, or compensate you for the damage done. He just enjoys legal immunity and goes back to work on Monday.

These are the questions worth teaching:

Who decided?
Whose money did he spend?
Who bears the loss?
Who collects revenue from the process?
What happens to the decision maker if he was wrong?
 
The issue is so simple: incentives, accountability, and who pays. Standard reasoning that everyone applies to any situation, except to the state.

A prosecutor can make a decision that costs you $500,000 to defend against while costing him personally approximately $0.
And whichever way the case ends, the system can still collect.
If you are convicted, there will be fines, penalties, forfeitures, and court costs.
If you are acquitted, you still have spent hundreds of thousands on lawyers, experts, investigators and accountants. That money becomes income to somebody, and governments tax it, as income plus VAT.

So even proving your innocence can generate revenue.

Meanwhile, if the official was wrong, he doesn’t reimburse your lawyers, replace your lost income, repay the public money spent pursuing you, or compensate you for the damage done. He just enjoys legal immunity and goes back to work on Monday.

These are the questions worth teaching:

Who decided?
Whose money did he spend?
Who bears the loss?
Who collects revenue from the process?
What happens to the decision maker if he was wrong?
This is REALLY a much better way of explaining it. Like F*ck! Why didn't anyone explain this to me when I was 12? Had I known this, there is NO way I would have even entertained my friend's buddy, the attorney. Thank you for sharing this! 😎
 
So, why don't more parents or teachers explain this to their children or young people?
Why is this kept a secret?
Is this such a novel concept?
Is this really unknown to the public?
How do people NOT realize this?


Anyone have a reasonable explanation I can understand? 🙄
looks like you finally reached your anarchist stage - congratulations 😉

it's not that nobody knows - ALMOST nobody knows... that's why the states run the school system to make sure it stays like this

humans temporarily rule the world also because they enslaved other species... sadly including themselves and even more sadly this whole horror going on around us can be successfully presented as progress and prosperity... it's time to shrug
 
looks like you finally reached your anarchist stage - congratulations 😉
Self government is better than anarchism.
The government and the State are not the same thing: government is needed because people need protection against violation of their property. The State is just an institution that acquires and expands coercive power over society, financed by society itself.
As a delegated, directly controlled and funded entity, government is good and necessary. The State is completely unnecessary and evil.

History is moving in one direction: more powers delegated upward, larger political structures, more distant institutions, and less control by the individual. See the EU.
Real progress would move the other way: power transferred downward, closer to the people, with smaller states and centers of government.
As power moves closer to the individual, people start to govern more of their own lives instead of delegating everything to a remote apparatus.
Continue the process far enough and the apparatus becomes superfluous.
Eventually, self government replaces the state and all parasites are eliminated.
 
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Self government is better than anarchism.
The government and the State are not the same thing: government is needed because people need protection against violation of their property. The State is just an institution that acquires and expands coercive power over society, financed by society itself.
As a delegated, directly controlled and funded entity, government is good and necessary. The State is completely unnecessary and evil.

History is moving in one direction: more powers delegated upward, larger political structures, more distant institutions, and less control by the individual. See the EU.
Real progress would move the other way: power transferred downward, closer to the people, with smaller states and centers of government.
As power moves closer to the individual, people start to govern more of their own lives instead of delegating everything to a remote apparatus.
Continue the process far enough and the apparatus becomes superfluous.
Eventually, self government replaces the state and all parasites are eliminated.
anarchy means no state... I have zero problem with (even complex) social structures if these are created bottom-up, their development and growth is market (success) driven and the participation is voluntary

centralization is a tempting thing to grow - it brings short-term efficiency and mostly feels like a good idea, yet people often don't see it's in exchange for growing fragility - the current state of the internet is a blatant example of what can happen if people give up agency and self-governance in exchange for false sense of safety and convenience
 
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anarchy means no state...
it means absence of power/rules (ἀρχή). It doesn’t mean no state, although it might be seen as a consequence of it.
The proper word would be autarchia (αὐταρχία), self-ruling, whose original meaning has deteriorated over time.
But we can also use ἐγκράτεια, which means that one is the master of himself (ref. Plato).

I wrote about the consequences of centralism in Europe here: Europe without a State: why a political Europe cannot exist
 
it means absence of power/rules (ἀρχή). It doesn’t mean no state, although it might be seen as a consequence of it.
The proper word would be autarchia (αὐταρχία), self-ruling, whose original meaning has deteriorated over time.
But we can also use ἐγκράτεια, which means that one is the master of himself (ref. Plato).

I wrote about the consequences of centralism in Europe here: Europe without a State: why a political Europe cannot exist
fair enough...
for me anarchy means "no violance-backed coersive power enforcing rules on individuals who didn't opt-in" - there are good rules (standards, voluntarily accepted for the benefit of participants) and bad rules (regulations, enforced by violence)

call it state, government, mafia, law.... doesn't matter - what matters is the (non)optionality to participate
 
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