So, ZCash = Ztrash?

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Zcash has other problems right now, after the discovery (by Claude?) of a bug in its code: https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/330795207754274

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Zcash has other problems right now, after the discovery (by Claude?) of a bug in its code: https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/330795207754274
Zcash is just a VC manipulated shitcoin.

I really like Monero, but I don't think it's immune either to these kind of bugs. In theory, an inflation bug could happen to it too.
And because of the possibility of an undetected bug, I still don't feel comfortable keeping a large portion of my savings in it, even when I like its tech more than Bitcoin's.
 
Zcash's marketng and dev team doesn't pass the sniff test. Why? Their privacy priorities are shared with a profit motive, not to mention woke ideology (see their dev above). They also engaged in a blatant marketing pump & dump not that long ago. The Monero community say how XMR can be used by Nazis and Jews alike for their respective ends, as XMR's only ideology is private money for those who use it. I trust that philosophy more than Zcash's.
 
I really like Monero, but I don't think it's immune either to these kind of bugs. In theory, an inflation bug could happen to it too.
Any bug in the major coins would have already been found with Claude 5. We are safu.
And because of the possibility of an undetected bug, I still don't feel comfortable keeping a large portion of my savings in it, even when I like its tech more than Bitcoin's.
Here the question is how much of your savings you should keep in crypto and why. Unfortunately, you can’t use xmr as a collateral for a loan.
 
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I opened a long position after their bug because I knew they would manipulate it again, but this is insane, top 10 coin now.
In half year Zcash did a 6x while, Monero only almost 2x and Bitcoin barely up 10%, maybe we are wrong? 🤣
 
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Crypto isn't about making profit even though many crypto-bros have forgotten that. Let them do their pump & dump games. We need only use crypto as a decentralized currency, away from the regime's claws. Right now, Monero is still the best for that. It needs to improve though. LTC is the most usable. XMR needs to be as user friendly as LTC. Or LTC needs to be as private as XMR. There is still a gap in the market for the "ultimate crypto". Zcash isn't even in the frame for that.
 
100% agree.
Unfortunately the world has become addicted to the financialized economy due to artificially low interest rates for the past three decades.

After all, who needs to provide value or services when you can 10x your income in a crypto trade or gamble with stocks? There was a time when one actually needed to know how to make a profit in their business. Today everything is about the narrative, not deep-value investing. That doesn’t apply just to crypto, but to public companies as well.

Monero’s tech is going to be used for borderless transfers no matter what its price ends up being. It’s already banned on most CEXs anyway, so not much price manipulation with futures.

My guess:

USDT/USDC = borderless trade settlement (already a de facto for S.E. Asia and the Middle East).

Bitcoin = pristine collateral for banks to continue the imploding Eurodollar system

Monero/ other privacy coins = hawala
 
what is not user friendly about Monero? The only real “issue” is if you don’t open the wallet often you have to wait some time when you do for the blocks update.
That too. Also having to download a node or connect to a remote node. Any crypto needs to be as easy and instant as an Apple Pay or debit card contactless payment. You can't buy milk with Monero or Bitcoin then wait for the blocks to clear, and god help us if the transaction gets stuck in the blockchain. I'll have to wait at the store for ages until it clears. Crypto needs to improve its user experience. LTC is the closest I've had to user friendliness.
 
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That too. Also having to download a node or connect to a remote node.

You don't need to run your own node to use Monero. Remote nodes’ privacy issues have been vastly overblown from the Chainalysis video that was a pure PR stunt for people to believe that you need to become Mr. Robot to use XMR privately.

This “poisoned node” argument gets pushed by privacy enthusiasts who take the threat model of a serious Dark Web target and apply it to the average user. Gh0p pulled the same trick on OffshoreCorpTalk because he thought it made him sound smart.

If you're running your own "extra-curricular" activities on the Dark Web, then sure, you should probably run your own Monero node. Add a hypervisor, a virtual machine and Whonix while you're at it.

But do you know what actually got the Colombians in that Chainalysis PR video screwed? They forgot to turn on their VPN one day. Literally, that was the smoking gun that gave away their location.

So if you're the average Joe moving a couple of grand (and are sober enough to switch on your VPN), how much time and effort do you think it takes Chainalysis to identify their Monero targets? Their own video said two years of investigations. Why would anyone spend that level of money and time trying to trace your transaction… if you’re not hacking some Bybit and moving billions?

Even if you "forgot" to declare a few thousand dollars of your XMR for taxes, the cost of assigning staff and analysts would be completely disproportionate to the amount involved.

Any crypto needs to be as easy and instant as an Apple Pay or debit card contactless payment.

You're right that a retail payment needs to feel instant to the customer. But you're treating transaction speed as though it's the main obstacle to crypto adoption. Your own LTC example shows that it isn't.

If LTC is already fast, and by your account, user-friendly… why isn’t it being used left and right in ordinary shops? Hell, Solana is even faster (and also user-friendly)... so why isn't every business using it?

You can't buy milk with Monero or Bitcoin then wait for the blocks to clear, and god help us if the transaction gets stuck in the blockchain. I'll have to wait at the store for ages until it clears. Crypto needs to improve its user experience. LTC is the closest I've had to user friendliness.

Your card payment isn't finally settled while you're standing at the checkout either. The terminal gives the shop enough assurance to approve the sale, and the actual settlement happens afterward.

The practical difference is that businesses already operate in fiat. Almost every customer pays in it, the money lands directly in the business bank account, and it can immediately be used for suppliers and other expenses. Also accounting systems are already built around fiat, so there is no additional bookkeeping, conversion step or exchange-rate risk between receiving the payment and off-ramping it.

So why would a coffee shop take on all those additional headaches just to process a handful of crypto payments? Because let’s be real, 95% of consumers are sheep, and they’ll stick with whatever payment method is government approved.

Maybe the point is that uncompromised crypto will never be the Satoshi version of digital cash. We may absolutely end up seeing fast crypto transfers, but I bet it’ll be a digital gulag and the only coin that will be “chosen” will be some USDT or USDC. Both can be frozen, both can be programmable and surveillable.

Not exactly the “peer to peer” digital cash that we’re fantasizing about.
 
You don't need to run your own node to use Monero. Remote nodes’ privacy issues have been vastly overblown from the Chainalysis video that was a pure PR stunt for people to believe that you need to become Mr. Robot to use XMR privately.

This “poisoned node” argument gets pushed by privacy enthusiasts who take the threat model of a serious Dark Web target and apply it to the average user. Gh0p pulled the same trick on OffshoreCorpTalk because he thought it made him sound smart.

If you're running your own "extra-curricular" activities on the Dark Web, then sure, you should probably run your own Monero node. Add a hypervisor, a virtual machine and Whonix while you're at it.

But do you know what actually got the Colombians in that Chainalysis PR video screwed? They forgot to turn on their VPN one day. Literally, that was the smoking gun that gave away their location.

So if you're the average Joe moving a couple of grand (and are sober enough to switch on your VPN), how much time and effort do you think it takes Chainalysis to identify their Monero targets? Their own video said two years of investigations. Why would anyone spend that level of money and time trying to trace your transaction… if you’re not hacking some Bybit and moving billions?

Even if you "forgot" to declare a few thousand dollars of your XMR for taxes, the cost of assigning staff and analysts would be completely disproportionate to the amount involved.



You're right that a retail payment needs to feel instant to the customer. But you're treating transaction speed as though it's the main obstacle to crypto adoption. Your own LTC example shows that it isn't.

If LTC is already fast, and by your account, user-friendly… why isn’t it being used left and right in ordinary shops? Hell, Solana is even faster (and also user-friendly)... so why isn't every business using it?



Your card payment isn't finally settled while you're standing at the checkout either. The terminal gives the shop enough assurance to approve the sale, and the actual settlement happens afterward.

The practical difference is that businesses already operate in fiat. Almost every customer pays in it, the money lands directly in the business bank account, and it can immediately be used for suppliers and other expenses. Also accounting systems are already built around fiat, so there is no additional bookkeeping, conversion step or exchange-rate risk between receiving the payment and off-ramping it.

So why would a coffee shop take on all those additional headaches just to process a handful of crypto payments? Because let’s be real, 95% of consumers are sheep, and they’ll stick with whatever payment method is government approved.

Maybe the point is that uncompromised crypto will never be the Satoshi version of digital cash. We may absolutely end up seeing fast crypto transfers, but I bet it’ll be a digital gulag and the only coin that will be “chosen” will be some USDT or USDC. Both can be frozen, both can be programmable and surveillable.

Not exactly the “peer to peer” digital cash that we’re fantasizing about.
Re connecting to remote nodes - I'm not suggesting security risks, but lack of user friendliness either way.

Re LTC adoption - crypto as a whole is not yet understood or appreciated by brick & mortar shops because as you said, they're sheep and only trust government approved payment methods - even though they're more dangerous and tracked! If and when it becomes "normal" in the eyes of the sheep, a crypto would need to be as convenient and simple to use as a contactless payment or close. LTC right now is closest to that. But there is no crypto yet that is as easy as fiat contactless.

Re blockchain times - Similar to the above, crypto needs to be understood and trusted before shops ignore confirmation times. But double-spend is still a thing as of now.

Yes, I think the only crypto that gets allowed to be mainstream will be something like USDT or more likely, CBDC. But an independent coffee shop could take XMR or LTC if there were as user friendly as Apple Pay, and the masses would consider it more as an alternative to fiat (not that I hold my breath on that one).
 
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Just like to chime in: that "Plenty of shops are already accepting crypto."
In Europe, Asia, and especially exporters here in China.
+95% of my wholesale exports from China are paid in crypto. I convert to ¥ as soon as I get paid in crypto, though, because I have to pay the factories in ¥. Inside China I am "NOT allowed" to pay others in crypto. Only overseas buyer can do that.

At the Plan B Lugano Forum you can meet most of Europe's businesses and organizations that help business owners accept crypto. I've been going since its inception. I like it. I like all trade shows, expos, and conferences, though. Most people at these events are high quality individuals with lots of real life experiences on how to dodge the "gang members under the ruse of government." :bag:🤣🤐
 
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If you're running your own "extra-curricular" activities on the Dark Web, then sure, you should probably run your own Monero node. Add a hypervisor, a virtual machine and Whonix while you're at it.
I'm going to explain "being persecuted" in a new thread by including a video. You are 100% correct here. The only people looking for these things are Chainalysis and their "ilk" because they are trying to sell their services to governments. No government employee (lazy by nature) is after anyone, unless the order comes from above and wrapped in promotions if completed successfully or they can earn substantial income i.e. commissions, e.g. Shakira's case is a great example.
 
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