Short tax residency options
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Okay amazing thread! I just moved to CY and trying to figure this all out: unemployed investor, self employed investor or inc company.
Is there anyway to contact the tax authority and ask for clarification on the individual investor level? Or can someone just summarize what the mostly like outcome of just filing crypto gain taxes as an individual?
Is there anyway to contact the tax authority and ask for clarification on the individual investor level? Or can someone just summarize what the mostly like outcome of just filing crypto gain taxes as an individual?
I'm doing it. My tax accountant sent a binding consultation to know if I have to pay Social Insurance. Anyway before the binding consultation, I went to Social Insurance in Paphos and the director said that wanted to talk with my︀ tax accountant, so he can explain my activity.
My tax accountant talked with the director︁ and it was correct, I don't have to pay social insurance. But I also asked︂ him to get a formal letter from Social Insurance to be protected in the future.︃
800 euros I payed for the letter haha But it will worth it.
Anyway I︄ talked also with another accountant that they had already official confirmation saying that is not︅ required to pay social Insurance.
My tax accountant talked with the director︁ and it was correct, I don't have to pay social insurance. But I also asked︂ him to get a formal letter from Social Insurance to be protected in the future.︃
800 euros I payed for the letter haha But it will worth it.
Anyway I︄ talked also with another accountant that they had already official confirmation saying that is not︅ required to pay social Insurance.
I'm also in Paphos. The problem is that the accountant is in Larnaca the one that is doing all my taxes. I've talked with a lot of accountants but the most professional I've seen is the Larnaca's one. The one who has the confirmation letter is in Limassol.
I tried to buy the one from the ones who had the confirmation letter but they said that︀ unfortunately they can't because it has the name of the client.
And that the confirmation︁ letter will take 1 to 3 months.
If you want you can give me your︂ email and I can give you the accountant. I don't wanna make spam here xd.︃ I can't send private message here yet.
And if you need help for example to︄ get residence permit or something I can help you because I'm here in Paphos also.︅ I've just got yellow slip.
I tried to buy the one from the ones who had the confirmation letter but they said that︀ unfortunately they can't because it has the name of the client.
And that the confirmation︁ letter will take 1 to 3 months.
If you want you can give me your︂ email and I can give you the accountant. I don't wanna make spam here xd.︃ I can't send private message here yet.
And if you need help for example to︄ get residence permit or something I can help you because I'm here in Paphos also.︅ I've just got yellow slip.
Hi ,
planning to move to Cyprus , would appreciate some guidance along the︄ way ...
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planning to move to Cyprus , would appreciate some guidance along the︄ way ...
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The difference is called contribution ceiling (i.e. the total maximum annual amount on which contributions will be paid). It is significant!
Today I've found something very interesting.
Now that I got access to taxisnet (website to fill tax return) I found that there's a category on Social Insurance box that says "Δ/Ε Εισόδημα που δεν εμπίπτει στον περί Κοινωνικών Ασφαλίσεων Νόμο."
The translation is "D / E Income that does not fall under the Law on Social Insurance ".
Since there's definition in the Income tax law about investing income ("Investment income" means any income which is notacquired or resulting from any business, from hired services,pensions or other annual income paid due to or with respect to paid services provided;"), it could fall under that category︀ and at least it has all the sense for me.
This is so important because︁ I'm sure most of you have gone to the Security Social website to check the︂ categories and saw that this code didin't appear.
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Now that I got access to taxisnet (website to fill tax return) I found that there's a category on Social Insurance box that says "Δ/Ε Εισόδημα που δεν εμπίπτει στον περί Κοινωνικών Ασφαλίσεων Νόμο."
The translation is "D / E Income that does not fall under the Law on Social Insurance ".
Since there's definition in the Income tax law about investing income ("Investment income" means any income which is notacquired or resulting from any business, from hired services,pensions or other annual income paid due to or with respect to paid services provided;"), it could fall under that category︀ and at least it has all the sense for me.
This is so important because︁ I'm sure most of you have gone to the Security Social website to check the︂ categories and saw that this code didin't appear.
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Do not mix the tax code with the "Law on Social Insurance". Definitions between these two are not interchangeable.
Which "Many brokers"???
Can you name few??
Most of the International broker accepting UAE resident.
I thought UAE is best for Trader.
Thanks.
Can you name few??
Most of the International broker accepting UAE resident.
I thought UAE is best for Trader.
Thanks.
Hi,
So stock trading is not taxable in Cyprus. The only issue arising is whether or not it falls under the social security obligation if you trade as an individual. In order to clear this the badges of trade criteria must be considered on a case by case basis in order to reach to a conclusion︀ as to whether or not the individual in question is carrying out the stock trading︁ as a business. Some of the criteria that must be considered is the income, volume︂ of transactions, how often you cash out, whether or not this is your main income︃ etc.
For example, a person who runs another business, and makes from this business 200K︄ per year, and on the side he does a bit of stock trading, cashing out︅ around 30-40K every couple of years so essentially the stock trading is an additional passive︆ income, and not the income he relies on to live, this will not be considered︇ as a business and therefore there will be no social security obligation.
On the other︈ hand, someone who is doing stock trading as his main activity and therefore is cashing︉ out every month and living out of the income earned by stock trading he would︊ be deemed as running a business, the income would still be tax exempt, but would︋ have an obligation to pay Social Security, in this case this individual would be better︌ of incorporating a company and trade through the company.
So stock trading is not taxable in Cyprus. The only issue arising is whether or not it falls under the social security obligation if you trade as an individual. In order to clear this the badges of trade criteria must be considered on a case by case basis in order to reach to a conclusion︀ as to whether or not the individual in question is carrying out the stock trading︁ as a business. Some of the criteria that must be considered is the income, volume︂ of transactions, how often you cash out, whether or not this is your main income︃ etc.
For example, a person who runs another business, and makes from this business 200K︄ per year, and on the side he does a bit of stock trading, cashing out︅ around 30-40K every couple of years so essentially the stock trading is an additional passive︆ income, and not the income he relies on to live, this will not be considered︇ as a business and therefore there will be no social security obligation.
On the other︈ hand, someone who is doing stock trading as his main activity and therefore is cashing︉ out every month and living out of the income earned by stock trading he would︊ be deemed as running a business, the income would still be tax exempt, but would︋ have an obligation to pay Social Security, in this case this individual would be better︌ of incorporating a company and trade through the company.
This is your own opinion.︉ I have facts:
- I have talked in person with the Social Insurance Director of︊ my region and also my tax accountant talked with the Director. Besides I have talked︋ with some Big four as some other users from this forum have talked too.
- I know already about one letter confirming that it's not subject to Social Insurance. But︌ the tax accountant can't give me that letter because it has the name of their︍ client.
- The Badges of trade normally are to separate Capital Gains from Income. Not︎ the case in Cyprus because you don't pay Income tax either capital gains from selling️ securities in Cyprus.
For example the case of USA:
The case of USA, trading is considered a business because of the definition they have in the law (Trading in Cyprus could also fall in the definition of business). But if you keep reading the website attached from IRS, you will see that even though it falls in the definition of business, trading it's not subject to Social security tax.
They use Badges of trade to separate business income from Capital gains, not for Social Security.
And USA it's not an exemption, there are more countries that work like this, in the case of the confirmation︀ in Cyprus it would almost be the same case. But I don't confirm anything yet︁ until I get my letter.
https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc429
- I have talked in person with the Social Insurance Director of︊ my region and also my tax accountant talked with the Director. Besides I have talked︋ with some Big four as some other users from this forum have talked too.
- I know already about one letter confirming that it's not subject to Social Insurance. But︌ the tax accountant can't give me that letter because it has the name of their︍ client.
- The Badges of trade normally are to separate Capital Gains from Income. Not︎ the case in Cyprus because you don't pay Income tax either capital gains from selling️ securities in Cyprus.
For example the case of USA:
The case of USA, trading is considered a business because of the definition they have in the law (Trading in Cyprus could also fall in the definition of business). But if you keep reading the website attached from IRS, you will see that even though it falls in the definition of business, trading it's not subject to Social security tax.
They use Badges of trade to separate business income from Capital gains, not for Social Security.
And USA it's not an exemption, there are more countries that work like this, in the case of the confirmation︀ in Cyprus it would almost be the same case. But I don't confirm anything yet︁ until I get my letter.
https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc429
So it seems here everybody has a different confirmation letter.
Personally I don't trust you, first because you see your business in danger. And second because If you have had that confirmation letter before you would have said that in the previous messages to shut us up.
My recommendation for everybody is that you get your own confirmation letter and that don't︀ trust anybody.
Personally I don't trust you, first because you see your business in danger. And second because If you have had that confirmation letter before you would have said that in the previous messages to shut us up.
My recommendation for everybody is that you get your own confirmation letter and that don't︀ trust anybody.
I sense there is a chance you have to pay social insurance on stock trading gains. If I look up on Deloitte, is seems like for self employed the SI rate is 15.6 % up till the cap at approx 57.408 €. If I multiply thos umbers, I get a max SI contribution of 8,956 €.
Lets say your capital gains for this year turns out at 200.000 €.
Then the SI contribution will still be capped at those 8,956 €, right ?
And the only other cost to the Cyprus government would be the GHS at 2,65 %, approx 5,300 €, correct ?︀
In total that would be 14,256 €, corresponding to approx 7,1 % of your gains.︁
That is not perfect - like eg. Malaysia or Dubai (MM2H) - but the best︂ for an EU country I think - any opinions ?
Lets say your capital gains for this year turns out at 200.000 €.
Then the SI contribution will still be capped at those 8,956 €, right ?
And the only other cost to the Cyprus government would be the GHS at 2,65 %, approx 5,300 €, correct ?︀
In total that would be 14,256 €, corresponding to approx 7,1 % of your gains.︁
That is not perfect - like eg. Malaysia or Dubai (MM2H) - but the best︂ for an EU country I think - any opinions ?
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