Setting up in Dubai for crypto trading

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I am UK citizen looking to setup residence in a location where I can pay no tax on selling my crypto assets and crypto trading, and open up bank accounts there and have a permanent residence.

I have decided that Dubai seems to be the place to do this as my other option, Singapore seems very difficult to get a VISA in? (maybe someone can confirm)

I don't mind spending 6 months of the year in Dubai.

Can anyone recommend a pathway for me to do this? Would I need to create a company in Dubai or is that not necessary?
 
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Having proper Dubai set up, significant time spent in Dubai and tax residency certificate you‌ might be safe. It would allow you also to maintain certain level of physical and‍ social substance in the UK during the same year. Tax residency certificate shall protect you⁠ up to certain level.

If you don’t obtain certificate and don’t create adequate level of⁤ substance in Dubai you still might benefit from zero tax but you should limit UK⁣ presence to minimum (90 days per year). RDR3: Statutory Residence Test (SRT) notes). Plus⁢ in this case you have to be employed in Dubai (you should select proper set︀ up which allows you to be employed in the company).

There are few different set︁ up options with different pricing to become resident in UAE in your case.
 
Thanks.

I won't be returning to the UK and am already︃ non-tax resident a few years. As I have not stayed in any other country long︄ enough to be declared tax resident, I am currently of no-residency (Which as you can︅ imagine causes me problems should I need to prove this with banks).

I am looking︆ to setup tax residency somewhere where I can do my crypto things for 1-2 years︇ and a crypto friendly bank account that I can setup based on that residency through︈ which I can cash out. As I mentioned I don't mind being there for 6︉ months a year. It seems Dubai is the best option but I have concerns about︊ how crypto friendly its banks are.

The option seems to be to setup a company︋ in Dubai through which to do all my activity?
 
are you sure about that with the tax free crypto trading? Then‌ again, who want's to live in Georgia at the moment?
 
This was my‍ concern with it also.

With Portugal introducing Crypto tax, for tax free crypto cash out⁠ it seems that setting up a company in Dubai and living there 6 months of⁤ the year is the only option. I looked at Singapore but it seems very difficult⁣ to get residence and bank accounts
 
Hi,

yes, Dubai seems a︃ good option. Basically you can either to do crypto activities in the company or at︄ individual level. Trading on behalf of the company adds additional challenges from legal point of︅ view (it we follow all regulations precisely). For example, as a general rule you can︆ pay salary or dividends from the company only in fiat, so you have limited options︇ to get profits from the company in crypto. On the other hand in such case︈ you could give crypto loan to the company and then receive it back in crypto.︉ Having company just as visa sponsor and trading on individual level might be a bit︊ more simple.

As regards banking - basically there are two options. To open crypto friendly︋ EMI account in Europe (where you will be identified as UAE resident and they will︌ share all info with UAE under CRS) or to open local bank account for crypto︍ withdrawals. Since crypto is involved I suggest Emirates NBD (it will take some time to︎ set up it) or SEBA (originally Swiss bank, just recently received permission to operate in️ ADGM free zone).
 
Thanks, I would prefer it simple so I would setup of the company and get the︆ VISA, tax residence, then after this do my crypto personally.

Is there a average timeframe︇ for how long it takes to get this setup, get tax residence to begin doing︈ this?

Thanks for your advice
 
Singapore can be done but it is quite expensive. I guestimate it to not make any⁤ sense below 1M, if you need a residence visa together with it.
 
Naahh...
They want you in their country with your money.‍
And once you're in, as it's so boring, you'll start spending...
 
Yes, I'm sure.‍ Just Google a bit and you'll find how it works there.

A lot of people⁠ live in Georgia, mainly Tbilisi.
If s**t gets bad just leave ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Having discussed this with several Georgian tax auditors, the way that public decision 201‍ is worded looks likely to apply regardless of trading frequency.

New rulings can clarify old⁠ rulings even with no change of law so it is possible that some kind of⁤ badges of trade approach or time of assets held threshold could shift some crypto trading⁣ from exempt foreign income to locally taxed "other economic activity". Of course we are seeing⁢ ambiguity and changes in these tax treatments in other countries too.

Personally I wouldn't invest︀ in property in Georgia or develop roots such as a staffed office here if I︁ was relying on Public Decision 201 and wanted to be ready to "just leave" if︂ things change, as @04372 suggests.

People who like good weather for much of the︄ year, friendly people, nice food, excellent wines, low cost of living, good personal banking, low︅ bureaucracy for some things, decent Internet, good tax options for some people, amazing visa free︆ regime for many nationalities, no need for work permit, inexpensive routes to visas if needed.︇ Of course there are downsides such as banks being unfriendly to being used for offshore︈ business activity, lack of investment advisory options and tax neutral fund regime, frequent but fairly︉ short water and electricity outages, potholes, etc.

With regards to Dubai, the DMCC freezone has︊ a specific business activity for "proprietary trading in crypto-commodities" which looks ideal for a crypto︋ trader, yet members here seem against it and are suggesting to use other freezones. What︌ legal activities or licences are being used for crypto trading in these free zones? I︍ understand that some people just want to "cash out" of crypto and hide the gains︎ from their home country, but is it really safe to have fake substance in some️ pretend company and use it to run a crypto trading fund? Or if you run‌ a crypto trading business outside of the company, are we sure that this is not‍ mainland business activity? Nobody seems to be clarifying these issues.
 
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