Russian President Putin announces military operation in Ukraine

[kkein]

So far ukraine has mostly shown video games footage.
My uneducated interpretation︀ is that they have nothing better, and that the russians are actually very careful not︁ to make any civilian casualty, also to avoid future internal and international issues. Possibly one︂ of the reason they are slower than expected.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

This is what Ukraine says a Russian missile did to a civilian building:

Do you really think that if Russia wants to hit a building it doesn't have a powerful enough missile available? In fact that damage was caused by a Ukrainian ground to air missile that didn't hit its target.

This is what happens to a building that is hit by a missile with the intent to destroy it:

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[JamesDonkey]

I've liked this explanation

 

[kkein]

leaving aside cospiracy theories for why russia wants ukraine (and provided that nobody would ever‌ believe russia wants to ever annex the whole ukraine), it makes only sense that Russia‍ is seeking to force a neighboring country with a huge russian population in it, and⁠ that has been subject to western propaganda which has fueled civil conflics (like odessa 2014),⁤ to turn neutral, as it would otherwise become effectively powerless should things turn even souther⁣ across the border and be ethnic russians persecuted. Since, among other things, Ukraine is not⁢ known for having the most honest and respectable political class, or lately for being the︀ most russian-friendly nation.
It's like if Canada would join soviet union. i don't even need︁ to suggest what would USA do. And even in Canada i believe there are fewer︂ americans than russians in ukraine.

It would be good , however, to read argumented opinions︃ for why ukrainian neutrality isn't acceptable, and it is necessary to have US troops and︄ weapons brought over there. Perhaps i'm missing something.

 

[clemens]

He is a sick old bastardcig-:,

 

[JohnnyDoe]

This explains why the western world is fucked:


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[JackAlabama]

Very insightful‌ into these 3 cultures. One stands out as being overly pathetic and weak. Well if‍ that is not an invitation, what is?

 

[troubled soul]

Is war with Ukraine just the beginning of Vladimir Putin's master plan?​

 

[spacely]

you guys speak about Ukraine being neutral and that there should be a buffer between‌ NATO and Russia but what's up with the Baltics? Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania?
All 3‍ have a decent amount of Russian population and all 3 countries are in the EU⁠ and NATO and all 3 have borders with Russia.
What I truly do not understand⁤ is what is the fundamental purpose of the war? Sberbank has fallen 75%, all⁣ other companies too, economy fucked properly! Putin only refuses to play by the rules and⁢ cant get along with the idea that Russia is not an empire. It could have︀ been if they really took care about the country and the people instead of stealing︁ 99% of the money coming their way.
All Russia has now is corruption, a complete︂ mess, and a crazy old man in charge

 

[JackAlabama]

good question.︃ Eventually they must go as well?
Especially considering Sweden/Finland not being in Nato.

 

[JamesDonkey]

perhaps, Latvia and Lithuania are in a different geographical location, and are less of a threat.⁤

 

[369]

Its not︃ mainly about ukraine but crimea.If russia loses crimea it is losing being an important marine.︄

 

[Golden Fleece]

Results of a poll were just released in Finland today.‍ The first time in history that a majority of Fins favor joining NATO. Good job⁠ at NATO recruitment, Putin!

 

[troubled soul]

The Ukrainian sailor who tried to 'SINK' £5m yacht of Russian weapons-maker boss: 55-year-old arrested‌ in Majorca after sabotaging ship now vows to join fight against Putin's forces in Ukraine‍​

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ally-SINKING-5m-yacht-owned-Russian-boss.html

 

[troubled soul]

Bitcoin Is Now More Valuable Than The Russian Ruble​

https://cryptopotato.com/bitcoin-is-now-more-valuable-than-the-russian-ruble/

 

[Simon4466]

Damn, that went fast.

 

[spacely]

they could just keep it that way remaining‍ low-key, why conquer the whole country. It will not lead anywhere!! What is their goal???⁠

that is really fucked up! Spoke with Fins today and⁢ they were extremely happy with their sitation previously and now people are scared.
imho it︀ will lead to nothing, Putin will just fail to even take Kiev

 

[Golden Fleece]

But that is the true danger that no one understands. If‍ the war against Ukraine is perceived as a failure, it could topple Putin's regime. If⁠ the war lasts too long, the economic pain that Russians will feel will be so⁤ bad that it could threaten or topple Putin's regime. In either case, this will make⁣ Putin very dangerous as he tries to survive, both politically and literally. There could be⁢ a sudden announcement that he just died of "natural causes" in his sleep.

It seems︀ that Putin may have badly miscalculated the Russian army's competence, the will of the Ukrainian︁ people, and the West's utter abhorrence of such uncivilized aggression. The smart move would be︂ for the West to allow Putin to save face and withdraw, perhaps by proclaiming that︃ Ukraine will never become part of NATO. Of course, Putin must be wise enough to︄ accept such an olive branch. This is exactly how great wars begin.

 

[369]

Putin and Swoboda clearly cowork on this war.Target is not ukraine but the european citizens and︄ destroying the financial system to move to the first new monetary system.

 

[Golden Fleece]

We will know the answer, I suppose, when we see which comes⁠ first: new monetary system or Putin's corpse.