Recommendation Malta or Cyprus?
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@Nomad did you get︍ an answer to this? I have a similar situation and not sure if this is︎ the way to go. I am concerned the holding company could be treated as Maltese️ due to CFC rules.
Any thoughts @jackfrost?
Any thoughts @jackfrost?
sorry so yes i got two of the large law firms to answer this, its quite lengthy i told them to put it in writing for me. i will post here once i have that in my hand. recollection from calls was basically it boiled down to multiple things. in terms of the corp refunds cfc does not play a role at all in this case because cfc will work other way round for the dividends to the shareholder that is maltese resident it boils down to how the full imputation system works in which CFC has no bearing at all. basically when you pay︀ your 35% corp tax on the maltese active ltd and distribute dividends you also get︁ 35% in tax credits. even if someone would say ok you are liable for income︂ tax on anything - the highest income tax rate is 35% and it cancels with︃ the tax credits to 0%. you still get your 6/7th refund as cfc is irrelevant︄ there (wrong direction) and is being signed off by the tax department so at the︅ end of the day cfc doesnt matter at all. also in general you would only︆ be liable for "remitted" income and that definition is extremely loose in malta, even more︇ so than i thought. basically almost all money that comes from outside of malta and︈ does not hit a maltese bank account is off limits for them except for very︉ few exceptions. and even after about 6months you can actually remitt it to malta tax︊ free just not right away.
i dont remember all the details there was more to︋ it but will post once i got the written legal opinion from them.
2 of︌ the big law firms (one of which consults the government on the actual laws...) as︍ well as two accountants all said the same thing though.
i dont remember all the details there was more to︋ it but will post once i got the written legal opinion from them.
2 of︌ the big law firms (one of which consults the government on the actual laws...) as︍ well as two accountants all said the same thing though.
Hi. Regarding this " 12.5% + income tax on fair market salary. " for Cyprus - why is︀ a fair market salary required? For residence one can be there for 60 days and︁ be a Director, without being paid a salary, right?
Second question: If I have a︂ Cyprus company which trades stocks and futures, and pays a dividend, I believe it all︃ should be tax free?
Last question please: Would the above (second question) benefit from a︄ Malta HoldCo above it to receive dividends and pay to me, or is that just︅ over-complexity? I would only do it if Malta is considered more whitelist than Cyprus for︆ where I may live, whether that be Malta or in Portugal under the NHR programme,︇ or for safer banking or something.
Thanks and regards
Rod
Second question: If I have a︂ Cyprus company which trades stocks and futures, and pays a dividend, I believe it all︃ should be tax free?
Last question please: Would the above (second question) benefit from a︄ Malta HoldCo above it to receive dividends and pay to me, or is that just︅ over-complexity? I would only do it if Malta is considered more whitelist than Cyprus for︆ where I may live, whether that be Malta or in Portugal under the NHR programme,︇ or for safer banking or something.
Thanks and regards
Rod
Profits from disposal of securities and dividend income are exempt from tax. Futures are only exempt if they fall in the definition - check Note 4 here. As individual receiving dividends from your company, you will pay 2.65% health contribution in 2020 on amounts up to 180k EUR.
As for salary, it might be required depending on the status you want to get. Compare the conditions and social security contribution obligations for the non-dom status and for the HNWI status, respectively.
As for salary, it might be required depending on the status you want to get. Compare the conditions and social security contribution obligations for the non-dom status and for the HNWI status, respectively.
Thanks. That note 4 covers basically everything that can be traded in a brokerage account. Perfect. The health contribution applies to employees and self employed people. If just get dividends from a company︀ you own and direct for trading there seems to be 0 tax. No corporate tax︁ on securities trading. No tax on dividends. No tax on earned income as no earned︂ income. Any objections welcome!
(1) It contains a lot of corporate finance related stuff. I have not seen e.g. commodity derivatives being part of the exemption.
(2) These new GHCS contributions apply to individuals and for all income. Quoting from a Deloitte paper which can be found online:
(2) These new GHCS contributions apply to individuals and for all income. Quoting from a Deloitte paper which can be found online:
Most developed countries and as far as i remember cyprus had that︁ too require a fair market salary because of the way dividends are taxed. otherwise nobody︂ would pay income tax anymore but just pay everything in dividends to themselves. That can︃ be low though but cyprus in general is quite expensive unless you have special requirements︄ as you do if you only do trading. The countries that do usually have "hidden︅ dividends" provisions for that and after a tax audit will make you back pay income︆ tax on the dividends + much more nasty things if its a country like Germany.︇
Also the 60days as said multiple times are just a very very small part of︈ the picture. Everyone always falls for the stupid days rules. This is just the hard︉ cutoff (which nobody checks anyways). Your point of interest in life is what determines your︊ tax residency for most countries in the EU and they wont give a s**t about︋ your cyprus tax certificate (if you get it) if they can proof one of the︌ -many- things that they declare to be "point of interest in life" in one of︍ their countries.
Also the 60days as said multiple times are just a very very small part of︈ the picture. Everyone always falls for the stupid days rules. This is just the hard︉ cutoff (which nobody checks anyways). Your point of interest in life is what determines your︊ tax residency for most countries in the EU and they wont give a s**t about︋ your cyprus tax certificate (if you get it) if they can proof one of the︌ -many- things that they declare to be "point of interest in life" in one of︍ their countries.
Thanks @jackfrost and Baboon re #2 (I don't get your point on #1 - it is clear basically all securities trading is tax free).
Jack, you make a good point re hard cutoff, but I don't think it is too hard. To fulfill the Cyprus requirements you have a rental contract or home, and have a business related position in Cyprus (can be company Director, and I am paraphrasing). You also can't spend more than 183 days or so in another country.
- could spend time in Portugal. As long as I rent out my place there, advertising it all year (but people only rent︀ in summer) it can easily not be considered a place of abode.
- I could︁ see my family in Spain for some time.
- I could go to the UK︂ for <90days, as they have that rule.
In short, one just needs to know all︃ the countries rules and be intelligent about it.
Regards
Rod
Jack, you make a good point re hard cutoff, but I don't think it is too hard. To fulfill the Cyprus requirements you have a rental contract or home, and have a business related position in Cyprus (can be company Director, and I am paraphrasing). You also can't spend more than 183 days or so in another country.
- could spend time in Portugal. As long as I rent out my place there, advertising it all year (but people only rent︀ in summer) it can easily not be considered a place of abode.
- I could︁ see my family in Spain for some time.
- I could go to the UK︂ for <90days, as they have that rule.
In short, one just needs to know all︃ the countries rules and be intelligent about it.
Regards
Rod
I gave you one example of what is not part of the tax exemption in Cyprus - commodity forwards/futures.
As for tax residence, many people who thought "it is not too hard" got their holes properly busted by their local tax authorities. Anti avoidance rules in Europe are no joke. Regardless of any x-day rules, your country's tax authorities will successfully claim that your habitual residence is still there if you are not truly establishing your base where you want to be tax resident. Read some of your local court decisions.
As for tax residence, many people who thought "it is not too hard" got their holes properly busted by their local tax authorities. Anti avoidance rules in Europe are no joke. Regardless of any x-day rules, your country's tax authorities will successfully claim that your habitual residence is still there if you are not truly establishing your base where you want to be tax resident. Read some of your local court decisions.
It is not about cyprus side. It is about your home country! They wont give︄ a s**t about the cyprus certificate if all you can proof is 60 days there︅ and probably even more days in another country or your home country. You can stay︆ 200 days in cyprus and little things like owning a car, key to an apartment︇ (no matter of ownership), a closet in someones apartment, going to your old doctor, hair︈ dresser, gym etc all of this can instantly be used to still declare you tax︉ resident in your old country and then it is tax evasion X years back, penalty︊ pay, criminal proceedings and so on. And yeah tax is going to be more than︋ you have / actually earned.
Where are you seeing that commodity futures are not︀ exempted? The note 4 from Deloitte begins:
" The term “Securities” is defined as shares,︁ bonds, debentures, founders’ shares and other securities of companies or other legal persons, incorporated in︂ Cyprus or abroad and options thereon. Two Circulars have been issued by the Tax Authorities︃ clarifying that the term also includes among others, options on Securities, short positions on Securities,︄ futures/forwards on Securities, ..."
It is the last term above. As background, I have traded︅ for 19 years and worked in corporate finance for 20 years so I am not︆ a dunce.
" The term “Securities” is defined as shares,︁ bonds, debentures, founders’ shares and other securities of companies or other legal persons, incorporated in︂ Cyprus or abroad and options thereon. Two Circulars have been issued by the Tax Authorities︃ clarifying that the term also includes among others, options on Securities, short positions on Securities,︄ futures/forwards on Securities, ..."
It is the last term above. As background, I have traded︅ for 19 years and worked in corporate finance for 20 years so I am not︆ a dunce.
Scary, but wouldn't the other︂ country do the same to get you to pay tax there? Ie wouldnt Cyprus, or︃ England or whatever say no, screw you Portugal, we want Rod1 to pay tax in︄ our country not yours? It would be evocative of Stalin's Russia if 2 countries are︅ trying to destroy you simultaneously. For example, what if you ARE resident in Cyprus with︆ all real meaning - job, girlfriend, life etc, and Portugal says "you own a home︇ in Portugal and still have a gym membership here". There has to be some basic︈ rationality somewhere.
A commodity is not a security even in common/financial sense. Much more importantly, "Security"︁ for tax purposes is defined in the tax code. Everything not explicitly listed is not︂ part of the definition. Where do you spot commodities in the definition of "Securities" ("shares,︃ bonds, debentures, founders’ shares and other securities of companies or other legal persons")?
Baboon, hardly anyone trades actual commodities, apart from oil companies and iron ore companies for example. All the hedge funds and people like me trade commodity futures. Futures are securities. Futures are the obligation to deliver a physical commodity at a certain date (but they are usually cash setlled and brokers like IB don't allow physical settling of commodity futures). Where Deloitte writes "futures/forwards on Securities " in my quote above I take that as futures. The actual phrase doesn't make sense as a future is a security - it would have been written by a bureaucrat, but it can only mean futures as traded︀ on the CME etc.
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