Question Use my money / Create company / Moving country (multiple questions)

[0x1337]

Hello everyone,
After my presentation and my first ask, I'm back again.

I made some more money the past few months and really feel the urge to move from where I am, and I need some advice from multiple angles:

1. I currently own 9/10 of my money in cryptocurrency, and I'm using more than 10 "crypto" bank accounts opened with different dark. All the same bank.
- If I go through an airport or a police check, could having X numbers of cards from the same bank, but different holder names be a problem? How could I justify this?

2. Since I don't declare any of my revenues at the moment, I would like to open some legitimate online businesses, such as printed shirts or jewelry shops, in a different country.
- At the moment, what are the best countries to open this type of shop ? (Virtual Office ?)
- How to be anonymous, or at least hidden from public searches ?
- Can I invest my current undeclared money without problems?

3. I NEED to move from my current country, would like to do that in less than 6 months. I need it to be crypto-friendly and low-cost if possible (it will surely be lower than my actual country anyway).
- At the moment, what are the best countries for a European man to move to?
- By creating a company in the same country as where I'll be, how can I get a visa there?
- I plan to first open the examples quoted before, then create bigger legitimate businesses, like nightclubs.



Information about myself:
- I don't have any restrictions about the country I'm in; I can move whenever I need and want to.
- I have a legit passport.
- I have less than 25 years.
- I never created any company; I never "worked" on paper.
- I'm ready to invest tens of thousands if needed.


I don't have any more questions in mind, but I will probably have some more, I'll make sure to add them.
If you need more details about myself or what suits me, please feel free to ask.
I'm currently re-reading different posts on the forum and in the resources, but I need some direct advice since the world of company is new to me.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

0x1337 said:
- If I go through an airport or a police check, could having X numbers of cards from the same bank, but different holder names be a problem? How could I justify this?
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Very unlikely that guards check your cards, but not impossible. If they find out, you are in trouble. You need to know how to pass borders without looking suspicious.

0x1337 said:
2. Since I don't declare any of my revenues at the moment, I would like to open some legitimate online businesses, such as printed shirts or jewelry shops, in a different country.
- At the moment, what are the best countries to open this type of shop ? (Virtual Office ?)
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You are not giving enough information for obtaining a proper answer

0x1337 said:
- How to be anonymous, or at least hidden from public searches ?
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There are many ways, you should already know some as you said you are banking anonymously.

0x1337 said:
- Can I invest my current undeclared money without problems?
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You are asking if you can launder your money without problems rof/%

0x1337 said:
3. I NEED to move from my current country, would like to do that in less than 6 months. I need it to be crypto-friendly and low-cost if possible (it will surely be lower than my actual country anyway).
- At the moment, what are the best countries for a European man to move to?
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Any non-EU country

0x1337 said:
- By creating a company in the same country as where I'll be, how can I get a visa there?
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Creating a company most of the times is not sufficient, you need to create a real business.

0x1337 said:
- I plan to first open the examples quoted before, then create bigger legitimate businesses, like nightclubs.
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Just to remain under the radar rof/%

0x1337 said:
- I have less than 25 years.
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https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/pub... and,prioritizing, and making good decisions.

0x1337 said:
- I never created any company; I never "worked" on paper.
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Good. You should not be on any radar yet, or perhaps just a tiny dot.

0x1337 said:
- I'm ready to invest tens of thousands if needed.
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Then don't use the word “cheap”

0x1337 said:
I don't have any more questions in mind, but I will probably have some more, I'll make sure to add them.
If you need more details about myself or what suits me, please feel free to ask.
I'm currently re-reading different posts on the forum and in the resources, but I need some direct advice since the world of company is new to me.
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Setting up company is the last of your problems.

Ps. 9 out of 10 of the people who describe a similar situation are just mythomaniacs. Of that genuine 10%, 40% are lucky, 50% are not, 10% make good informed decisions and thrive.

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[jafo]

Kid,

What I am about to tell is very profound and lost on everybody I have ever met! I only figured it out because ... well... let's just say "it wasn't for a good reason"

There are NO mutes in prison! (Mute being the inability to speak).

Keep this in the back of your head, BEFORE you speak or volunteer information.

Good luck! 😉

 

[Sols]

0x1337 said:
1. I currently own 9/10 of my money in cryptocurrency, and I'm using more than 10 "crypto" bank accounts opened with different dark. All the same bank.
- If I go through an airport or a police check, could having X numbers of cards from the same bank, but different holder names be a problem? How could I justify this?
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You would be arrested on the spot and held until an investigation is completed. Highly dependent on where it happens, though.

0x1337 said:
2. Since I don't declare any of my revenues at the moment, I would like to open some legitimate online businesses, such as printed shirts or jewelry shops, in a different country.
- At the moment, what are the best countries to open this type of shop ? (Virtual Office ?)
- How to be anonymous, or at least hidden from public searches ?
- Can I invest my current undeclared money without problems?
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Whatever you choose, just keep the transaction patterns reasonable. No one buys printed shirts for 100,000 USD a week. Find a business that is commensurate with the required transaction patterns. It should also match your personal and professional background.

Anonymous is easy if you're just doing crypto in, crypto out. You can go with a secretive jurisdiction and/or use nominees. For the money to come out "clean" on the other end, you need to be able to connect a genuine link between yourself and the business activities (i.e. no darks).

But you have to be prepared for a thorough audit. If all orders for online massage therapy were paid for from the same crypto wallet by a thousand different people, that's not going to fly. Having them all traceable back to the same wallet might not be good enough either, if your auditor or opponent is skilled.

0x1337 said:
3. I NEED to move from my current country, would like to do that in less than 6 months. I need it to be crypto-friendly and low-cost if possible (it will surely be lower than my actual country anyway).
- At the moment, what are the best countries for a European man to move to?
- By creating a company in the same country as where I'll be, how can I get a visa there?
- I plan to first open the examples quoted before, then create bigger legitimate businesses, like nightclubs.
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Turkey and UAE are relatively easy to migrate to, have relaxed laws around money laundering, and banks that are capable of handling large sums of money without you sticking out too much like a sore thumb.

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[jafo]

0x1337 said:
If you need more details about myself or what suits me, please feel free to ask.
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What skills do you have that make you stand out?
What is your educational level?
Are you a developer?
Front-end, back-end, or full-stack?
What languages do you speak?
Are you presentable? I mean clean-cut appearance, for example.

 

[0x1337]

JohnnyDoe said:
Very unlikely that guards check your cards, but not impossible. If they find out, you are in trouble. You need to know how to pass borders without looking suspicious.

You are not giving enough information for obtaining a proper answer

There are many ways, you should already know some as you said you are banking anonymously.

You are asking if you can launder your money without problems rof/%

Any non-EU country

Creating a company most of the times is not sufficient, you need to create a real business.

Just to remain under the radar rof/%

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/pub... and,prioritizing, and making good decisions.
Good. You should not be on any radar yet, or perhaps just a tiny dot.

Then don't use the word “cheap”

Setting up company is the last of your problems.

Ps. 9 out of 10 of the people who describe a similar situation are just mythomaniacs. Of that genuine 10%, 40% are lucky, 50% are not, 10% make good informed decisions and thrive.
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A good, funny post, as always, from you rof/%
So, I don't see it as money laundering since the money is fully clean and cannot be linked to any suspect activities. I just want to invest money that hasn't been declared at the moment ! smi(&%

When I was asking for anonymity, I wasn't talking about all-day life, in which I have some knowledge, but the business world.

> Creating a company most of the times is not sufficient, you need to create a real business.
That's the point of my post, Mister JohnnyDoe

> Ps. 9 out of 10 of the people who describe a similar situation are just mythomaniacs. Of that genuine 10%, 40% are lucky, 50% are not, 10% make good informed decisions and thrive.
uh, Okay ?

Sols said:
You would be arrested on the spot and held until an investigation is completed. Highly dependent on where it happens, though.


Whatever you choose, just keep the transaction patterns reasonable. No one buys printed shirts for 100,000 USD a week. Find a business that is commensurate with the required transaction patterns. It should also match your personal and professional background.

Anonymous is easy if you're just doing crypto in, crypto out. You can go with a secretive jurisdiction and/or use nominees. For the money to come out "clean" on the other end, you need to be able to connect a genuine link between yourself and the business activities (i.e. no darks).

But you have to be prepared for a thorough audit. If all orders for online massage therapy were paid for from the same crypto wallet by a thousand different people, that's not going to fly. Having them all traceable back to the same wallet might not be good enough either, if your auditor or opponent is skilled.


Turkey and UAE are relatively easy to migrate to, have relaxed laws around money laundering, and banks that are capable of handling large sums of money without you sticking out too much like a sore thumb.
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I don't want my business to be cleaning hundred of dollars every day; I just want a real shop that will allow me to insert myself better in a given country.
For all the making of it, I can handle it (design, code, history, etc.).

Anonymous is easy if you're just doing crypto in, crypto out. You can go with a secretive jurisdiction and/or use nominees. For the money to come out "clean" on the other end, you need to be able to connect a genuine link between yourself and the business activities (i.e. no darks).
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The dark accounts are mostly used when I need to grab some cash;
I can totally open up a fully legitimate bank account.

But you have to be prepared for a thorough audit. If all orders for online massage therapy were paid for from the same crypto wallet by a thousand different people, that's not going to fly. Having them all traceable back to the same wallet might not be good enough either, if your auditor or opponent is skilled.
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I have deep knowledge of making transactions untraceable, so that will be handled without a problem.

Turkey and UAE are relatively easy to migrate to, have relaxed laws around money laundering, and banks that are capable of handling large sums of money without you sticking out too much like a sore thumb.
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I'm adding it to my to-read list about countries. Thanks a lot, sir !

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[JohnnyDoe]

0x1337 said:
the money is fully clean and cannot be linked to any suspect activities.
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So why you don't declare it?

0x1337 said:
money that hasn't been declared at the moment ! smi(&%
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Which makes it not “fully clean”.

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[Sols]

0x1337 said:
So, I don't see it as money laundering since the money is fully clean and cannot be linked to any suspect activities. I just want to invest money that hasn't been declared at the moment ! smi(&%
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That's one of the cool things about money laundering (for law enforcement, that is). You're often presumed guilty until you prove your innocence. Governments love it. It doesn't matter what you think is or isn't money laundering. You have to convince a court that the prosecution is wrong, otherwise you go to jail.

0x1337 said:
I have deep knowledge of making transactions untraceable, so that will be handled without a problem.
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Untraceable is one thing. You want the transactions to be traceable so that there is no question that your funds are of legitimate origin. Maybe you meant to imply both; just clarifying.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.

 

[0x1337]

jafo said:
What skills do you have that make you stand out?
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I've been in the internet community for more than 10 years, and spend most of it learning skills, I see myself with a decent pallets of skills even though I'm "still" young.

Are you a developer?
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Yes, I master web development for more than +8 years, I master networking and cybersecurity too.
I also have knowledge in design.

Front-end, back-end, or full-stack?
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Even if I don't like that word, yes, full-stack seem to suit me.

What languages do you speak?
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English, Spanish, French, Polish.

Are you presentable? I mean clean-cut appearance, for example.
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Yes, I try to not look like an eccentric person while still looking like a clean one.
I also have knowledge of social engineering and social interactions.

JohnnyDoe said:
So why you don't declare it?

Which makes it not “fully clean”.
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My country love to swallow your money; other than that, I could declare it. I'm looking to move first, then declare it.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

0x1337 said:
I'm looking to move first, then declare it.
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it doesn't work like that. You must declare your money where you have earned it.

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[jafo]

0x1337 said:
I've been in the internet community for more than 10 years, and spend most of it learning skills, I see myself with a decent pallets of skills even though I'm "still" young.



Yes, I master web development for more than +8 years, I master networking and cybersecurity too.
I also have knowledge in design.


Even if I don't like that word, yes, full-stack seem to suit me.


English, Spanish, French, Polish.


Yes, I try to not look like an eccentric person while still looking like a clean one.
I also have knowledge of social engineering and social interactions.


My country love to swallow your money; other than that, I could declare it. I'm looking to move first, then declare it.
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I read all your answers. Your biggest challenge in life will be against envious humans and dumb humans.

Here's what I would do if I were in your position and 25 again. Knowing what I know now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

1. I would NOT jump the gun! I would get a "regular job" where my skills are needed and can flourish. It guarantees a paycheck. I did this. You don't have to touch the principle. Don't confide anything to anyone that can be used against you. No a single thing. Think of how gang members under the ruse of "governments" promise to reward snitches for information that leads the gov. gangsters to confiscate property they did NOT work for. Don't trust your banker, your lawyer, your accountant, not even your own mom. Never volunteer information. Family and friends, although most of the time well-meaning, have a way of always sabotaging or judging what you "deserve". Keep your mouth shut! No exceptions!
2. Since you speak so many useful languages, you can move if you prefer it. I would. Just to see the world.
3. Do NOT invest in ANY business you don't fully understand and would not be able to profitably run by yourself without ANY employees. Just don't!
4. Get yourself successful elderly friends who are extremely happy and do NOT badmouth or envy ANYONE else in their lives. (Except me, but then again, I'm not elderly yet).
5. Do NOT try to purchase friendship or love. An intangible, friendship or love, can NOT be acquired by exchanging it with a TANGIBLE (i.e. money). People you can buy with money are NOT worth it! They are TOO cheap! Don't expect honesty, integrity, and loyalty from cheap people! 😉
6. This quote from one of the members here is severely underrated. Read it. Understand it. Apply it.: UAE is on European Commission blacklist

Start here:
Don't hesitate to ask. I don't charge! I only stick to subjects that are within my domain. I do NOT stray outside my circle of competence.

 

[0x1337]

jafo said:
I read all your answers. Your biggest challenge in life will be against envious humans and dumb humans.

Here's what I would do if I were in your position and 25 again. Knowing what I know now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

1. I would NOT jump the gun! I would get a "regular job" where my skills are needed and can flourish. It guarantees a paycheck. I did this. You don't have to touch the principle. Don't confide anything to anyone that can be used against you. No a single thing. Think of how gang members under the ruse of "governments" promise to reward snitches for information that leads the gov. gangsters to confiscate property they did NOT work for. Don't trust your banker, your lawyer, your accountant, not even your own mom. Never volunteer information. Family and friends, although most of the time well-meaning, have a way of always sabotaging or judging what you "deserve". Keep your mouth shut! No exceptions!
2. Since you speak so many useful languages, you can move if you prefer it. I would. Just to see the world.
3. Do NOT invest in ANY business you don't fully understand and would not be able to profitably run by yourself without ANY employees. Just don't!
4. Get yourself successful elderly friends who are extremely happy and do NOT badmouth or envy ANYONE else in their lives. (Except me, but then again, I'm not elderly yet).
5. Do NOT try to purchase friendship or love. An intangible, friendship or love, can NOT be acquired by exchanging it with a TANGIBLE (i.e. money). People you can buy with money are NOT worth it! They are TOO cheap! Don't expect honesty, integrity, and loyalty from cheap people! 😉
6. This quote from one of the members here is severely underrated. Read it. Understand it. Apply it.: UAE is on European Commission blacklist

Start here:
Don't hesitate to ask. I don't charge! I only stick to subjects that are within my domain. I do NOT stray outside my circle of competence.
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Thank you for this answer, I really liked it and felt good reading it !


I like to read about different subjects on the forum. It's not the first time your answer has struck me, you seem like someone genuine and filled with knowledge, so again, thanks a lot.

For the part about being discrete, like I explained in my presentation, I've been growing into a particular world where you had to keep everything for yourself, and I had one big wake-up about 5 years ago. Since then, I have only trusted myself and kept a really low profile, even with my close friends, so your answer really suits me.

I already have some experience traveling alone; I've been doing it since I was 16, most of the time in my origin country, and I really like it.

I now feel like it's time to move for real, my goal is to leave before February 2024.

I've been researching for a few months different countries that could work for me, and it seems like Panama and the UAE are the best options I have.

Since Dubai seems like it's not a place to go anymore, I've been looking a lot at Panama.
I'm waiting for a lawyer to answer me back about moving there.
Do you have any experience with this country ?

My perfect goal would be to move here and open a company, either e-commerce-related or IT-related.

If you have any tips about anything not related to my first post, such as life advice, like you did, I'm well open to that ! 😀

 

[jafo]

0x1337 said:
I've been looking a lot at Panama.
I'm waiting for a lawyer to answer me back about moving there.
Do you have any experience with this country ?
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Yes, but too long ago! Left a long time ago, so I can NO longer provide any valuable and useful information. If I were to return to Panama today, I wouldn't know what business to start. That's how long I've been away.

Salaries in Panama are sh*t though. So, unless you are going to freelance, I wouldn't get a job in Panama. Take time to decide what business to start. Fill the gap. Study the business well. Always stick to your circle of competence.

The persons you should seek advice from are @Panamood or @latindev
One is living in Panama and chilling and not doing much. He doesn't need to work. The other, I'm not sure, but they are both genuine and knowledgeable and know the area well. Since you have a Mentor Group Silver they'll most likely help you out.

Reach out to them. They can gift you some tips on what to do and what to avoid.

Panama is great, and you speak Spanish.
The Jewish community is strong in Panama. I used to "run" with them. They helped me out a lot.

Careful with lawyers in Panama when you are a "gringo". I dealt with 3 lawyers in Panama from 1997 to 2010. In the end, it was a "wealth transfer" from me to them. They caused me more problems than they solved and I spent more money on them than I made investing in their fees. I'm afraid I can't recommend any lawyers in Panama in good faith.

Cheers, mate!

PS. If in doubt, don't hesitate to ask.

 

[0x1337]

Salaries in Panama are sh*t though. So, unless you are going to freelance, I wouldn't get a job in Panama. Take time to decide what business to start. Fill the gap. Study the business well. Always stick to your circle of competence.
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I see, I'll check on how to become a freelancer in Panama.

The persons you should seek advice from are @Panamood or @latindev
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I'll wait for them to reply to this post, or I'll send them a PM.

Careful with lawyers in Panama when you are a "gringo". I dealt with 3 lawyers in Panama from 1997 to 2010. In the end, it was a "wealth transfer" from me to them. They caused me more problems than they solved and I spent more money on them than I made investing in their fees. I'm afraid I can't recommend any lawyers in Panama in good faith.
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That's my main concern, I'm currently talking to someone who migrated to Panama, I'm sure he can find me a lawyer, but I don't have full trust in him.

Anyway, thanks a lot for taking the time to answer. I'm going to go back to reading and sending messages. hap¤#"

 

[Asmodeus]

Don't travel with your Cards at all.
If you use them for personal expenses and really need them then search any card modder on the internet which swaps the chip on a new design without any name on it.
UAE is still a good option and way easier to handle for your case. You can easily buy cars, real estate, gold, watches with crypto and sell them after one year and you have good source of funds for the bank.
Anyway anything up to 100k AED (approx. 27,4k USD) can easily be deposited every month on your bank account without any real questions.
You don't even need a company just get a freelance visa.
But if you wan't to go cheap choose thailand or georgia and operate with an US LLC or any offshore entity.

 

[0x1337]

Asmodeus said:
Don't travel with your Cards at all.
If you use them for personal expenses and really need them then search any card modder on the internet which swaps the chip on a new design without any name on it.
UAE is still a good option and way easier to handle for your case. You can easily buy cars, real estate, gold, watches with crypto and sell them after one year and you have good source of funds for the bank.
Anyway anything up to 100k AED (approx. 27,4k USD) can easily be deposited every month on your bank account without any real questions.
You don't even need a company just get a freelance visa.
But if you wan't to go cheap choose thailand or georgia and operate with an US LLC or any offshore entity.
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Thanks for your answer,

In the UAE, I don't need any company to get the Freelance Visa?
This can change everything, but I'm seeing many people withdrawing themselves from there because of the change in law and salary, while the living price is still going up.

All I need is a country in which I can easily stay while I create my business, but most of them seem to require a company or investment to live in.

Creating a company in one country and living in another is also something I can do.

 

[jafo]

0x1337 said:
ll I need is a country in which I can easily stay while I create my business,
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What kind of company are you going to create?

 

[0x1337]

jafo said:
What kind of company are you going to create?
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One crypto-related project, which I'm talking about in this post, will be my main project. The others are side projects to allow the main project to redistribute the money made, they can be of any kind.

I'm currently talking about purchasing the company in this post.

 

[Asmodeus]

0x1337 said:
Thanks for your answer,

In the UAE, I don't need any company to get the Freelance Visa?
This can change everything, but I'm seeing many people withdrawing themselves from there because of the change in law and salary, while the living price is still going up.

All I need is a country in which I can easily stay while I create my business, but most of them seem to require a company or investment to live in.

Creating a company in one country and living in another is also something I can do.
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No you don't need any company to get a freelance visa.
You can live cheap in the UAE. Here are so many low class workers, if the prices would go up like you think, they all would die of starvation.

Maybe Georgia is the best option for you.
Because Thailand is also a bit annoying with the visa requirements.

 

[0x1337]

Asmodeus said:
No you don't need any company to get a freelance visa.
You can live cheap in the UAE. Here are so many low class workers, if the prices would go up like you think, they all would die of starvation.

Maybe Georgia is the best option for you.
Because Thailand is also a bit annoying with the visa requirements.
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I saved a list of countries that I will visit and see for myself, which are:

- UAE (Dubai, maybe outside)
- Panama
- Georgia
- Thailand
- Bulgaria

Based on what I can read on the forum and outside, I'm going to make a list of features, decide which one to go with, and provide an update here.

Do people still offer help on creating a company or moving to a country on this forum, like Fred was doing?
Also, if anyone can recommend a contact or a website to do so, I would be very grateful.