Permanent residency in Mexico, a solution for CRS circumvention?
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Then information exchanged under CRS goes to Mexico, and you have to pay Mexican tax, which is not very attractive.
Information might still go to your EU home country, if the bank has doubts about where you live or if you maintain tax residence indicia.
Information might still go to your EU home country, if the bank has doubts about where you live or if you maintain tax residence indicia.
Besides residency in mx you would also need a tax id so that they can tax you. Without a tax id i dont know how they can tax you. Although the mx government is trying to get extra money from taxes i am not sure if they are capable to do so in an efficient way.
How else do you plan on proving to someone that you are tax resident in Mexico? What do you do if a bank or someone asks to see your Mexican tax return or tax residence certificate as proof you're tax resident there?
Relocate to an actual tax haven, not Mexico.
Relocate to an actual tax haven, not Mexico.
Can't it be done legally?
For example. You live in country A, but go once to country B and get a job there. Since covid, you live in country A and work remotely for job in country B. Indicate tax residency as country B, because you have job there.
For example. You live in country A, but go once to country B and get a job there. Since covid, you live in country A and work remotely for job in country B. Indicate tax residency as country B, because you have job there.
In that example, you're still tax resident in Country A. You might also be tax resident in Country B and have to pay tax there as well as in Country A. Hopefully there is a tax treaty or tax credit system you could use so you don't pay double tax.
Tax residence is a fact stemming from circumstances. Do you live in Country A? Then you are tax resident in Country A. Claiming anything else would be fraud and can escalate into very serious crimes.
Tax residence is a fact stemming from circumstances. Do you live in Country A? Then you are tax resident in Country A. Claiming anything else would be fraud and can escalate into very serious crimes.
Where are you getting that from? It's none of the bisuness of bank to figure out where you may be a tax resident. The only thing that may matter to a bank is whether you're not a tax resident in a certain country, which is, apparently, often US.
Speaking and dealing with banks/financial institutions, regulators, and other parties involved in financial services.
It is nowadays. Some take a firmer approach than others and not every customer is treated exactly the same, but banks can be fined for failing to take adequate, reasonable steps to determine where someone is tax resident so it is in their interest to check and even verify.
Banks are increasingly asking to see tax returns, certificates of tax residence, and perform ongoing due diligence (not just at account opening) to ensure︀ they have accurate and up to date information on clients.
That was the case right︃ after FATCA came out, when banks were afraid of being punished by the US for︄ failing to identify US persons. Now with CRS, the it's similar to everyone regardless of︅ citizenship.
It is nowadays. Some take a firmer approach than others and not every customer is treated exactly the same, but banks can be fined for failing to take adequate, reasonable steps to determine where someone is tax resident so it is in their interest to check and even verify.
Banks are increasingly asking to see tax returns, certificates of tax residence, and perform ongoing due diligence (not just at account opening) to ensure︀ they have accurate and up to date information on clients.
That was the case right︃ after FATCA came out, when banks were afraid of being punished by the US for︄ failing to identify US persons. Now with CRS, the it's similar to everyone regardless of︅ citizenship.
That's not all of it, though. There is more nuance to it.
For one, the 50% rule effectively only applies if you are tax resident somewhere else. If Mexico is your effective primary place of interest (vital interest, economic substance), you are tax resident even if your income is from abroad.
So if you live in Mexico and run a foreign company incorporated outside of Mexico, you may still end up being tax resident as︀ far as Mexico is concerned.
It does open up to a greater degree of flexibility︁ than many other jurisdictions, but it is not quite as easy as settling down in︂ Mexico and not paying tax because your income is from abroad.
For one, the 50% rule effectively only applies if you are tax resident somewhere else. If Mexico is your effective primary place of interest (vital interest, economic substance), you are tax resident even if your income is from abroad.
So if you live in Mexico and run a foreign company incorporated outside of Mexico, you may still end up being tax resident as︀ far as Mexico is concerned.
It does open up to a greater degree of flexibility︁ than many other jurisdictions, but it is not quite as easy as settling down in︂ Mexico and not paying tax because your income is from abroad.
That is not correct.
You should read the Federal Tax Code of Mexico, especially︁ Art. 9 (I)(a) Código Fiscal de la Federación (CFF).
Individuals are Mexican tax resident if︂ they have a home in Mexico. If an individual has also a home in another︃ country, it's depending where the vital interests are. The vital interests are considered to be︄ in Mexico if more than 50% of the income within one calendar year is from︅ Mexico or if the primary place of professional activities is considered to be in Mexico.︆
The Mexican Tax Code requires a "home" somewhere else, outside of Mexican territory, not a︇ "tax residency". It is absolutely not true, that you need to bring a tax certificate︈ for applying this national law. What you need to have is a permanent home established︉ in another country.
A tax residency and a certificate of tax residency in another country︊ is needed to use tax treaties. According to Art. 9 (I)(b) CFF MEXICAN CITIZENS need︋ to provide a tax certificate/ residency to end their Mexican tax residency if they move︌ to a tax haven or if they don't have a new tax residency. This does︍ not apply to foreigners. Therefore only Mexican citizens will be remaining as tax residents in︎ Mexico for the year they left Mexico and terminated the tax residency and the following️ three years, but this doesn't apply if Mexico has an information exchange agreement or a tax treaty with an information exchange clause with the new country of residence in effect. Again, this is for Mexican citizens only.
To conclude, NON-MEXICAN-CITIZENS (Foreigners) who have also a HOME established OUTSIDE MEXICO don't need a tax residency in the country where the other home is established, to be not taxed in Mexico, if their professional activities are not in Mexico and less then 50% of their income is not from Mexico, because then the requirements of vital interests are not fulfilled. And vital interests in national Mexican law︀ is only the source of income and the centre of professional activities and not the︁ duration of stay, having a home/friends/family in Mexico, etc.
What could be a problem is︂ managing a legal entity permanently from Mexico, because then it can create a tax obligation︃ if the main administration of the business or its headquarters of effective management are considered︄ to be in Mexico, Art. 9 (II) CFF. From a practical point of view this︅ is more a problem for Mexican citizens, not for Foreigners.
If the person has a︆ residency in Mexico but doesn't fulfill the requirements to be considered a resident for tax︇ purposes in Mexico, SAT will put the information they received by CRS to trash and︈ there is nothing to worry about. What should they do with it? Taxing someone they︉ can't tax? Taxing tourists and leisure-residents who bring money into the country and stabilize the︊ Mexico Pesos?
The idea behind this is, that Mexico want to be attractive for tourists︋ and leisure-residents as a (part-time) place of living, even if Mexico doesn't have as many︌ tax treaties as other countries have.
At the end, if the creator of this thread︍ live (also) in another country than Mexico and is not fulfilling the requirements to be︎ considered a Mexican tax resident, there is nothing to worry about from the Mexican side.️ I have also never heard about problems regarding Foreigners in Mexico, who receive money from other countries but don't pay taxes in Mexico. At the moment SAT is more interested in Narcos laundering money or rich Mexicans who want to hide money. Maybe SAT tries also to become more strict with all the informal employments in Mexico.
I would be more worried that the EU country of citizenship make problems because they still assume a tax residency there... Maybe that's also the reason for this question of the thread opener.
You should read the Federal Tax Code of Mexico, especially︁ Art. 9 (I)(a) Código Fiscal de la Federación (CFF).
Individuals are Mexican tax resident if︂ they have a home in Mexico. If an individual has also a home in another︃ country, it's depending where the vital interests are. The vital interests are considered to be︄ in Mexico if more than 50% of the income within one calendar year is from︅ Mexico or if the primary place of professional activities is considered to be in Mexico.︆
The Mexican Tax Code requires a "home" somewhere else, outside of Mexican territory, not a︇ "tax residency". It is absolutely not true, that you need to bring a tax certificate︈ for applying this national law. What you need to have is a permanent home established︉ in another country.
A tax residency and a certificate of tax residency in another country︊ is needed to use tax treaties. According to Art. 9 (I)(b) CFF MEXICAN CITIZENS need︋ to provide a tax certificate/ residency to end their Mexican tax residency if they move︌ to a tax haven or if they don't have a new tax residency. This does︍ not apply to foreigners. Therefore only Mexican citizens will be remaining as tax residents in︎ Mexico for the year they left Mexico and terminated the tax residency and the following️ three years, but this doesn't apply if Mexico has an information exchange agreement or a tax treaty with an information exchange clause with the new country of residence in effect. Again, this is for Mexican citizens only.
To conclude, NON-MEXICAN-CITIZENS (Foreigners) who have also a HOME established OUTSIDE MEXICO don't need a tax residency in the country where the other home is established, to be not taxed in Mexico, if their professional activities are not in Mexico and less then 50% of their income is not from Mexico, because then the requirements of vital interests are not fulfilled. And vital interests in national Mexican law︀ is only the source of income and the centre of professional activities and not the︁ duration of stay, having a home/friends/family in Mexico, etc.
What could be a problem is︂ managing a legal entity permanently from Mexico, because then it can create a tax obligation︃ if the main administration of the business or its headquarters of effective management are considered︄ to be in Mexico, Art. 9 (II) CFF. From a practical point of view this︅ is more a problem for Mexican citizens, not for Foreigners.
If the person has a︆ residency in Mexico but doesn't fulfill the requirements to be considered a resident for tax︇ purposes in Mexico, SAT will put the information they received by CRS to trash and︈ there is nothing to worry about. What should they do with it? Taxing someone they︉ can't tax? Taxing tourists and leisure-residents who bring money into the country and stabilize the︊ Mexico Pesos?
The idea behind this is, that Mexico want to be attractive for tourists︋ and leisure-residents as a (part-time) place of living, even if Mexico doesn't have as many︌ tax treaties as other countries have.
At the end, if the creator of this thread︍ live (also) in another country than Mexico and is not fulfilling the requirements to be︎ considered a Mexican tax resident, there is nothing to worry about from the Mexican side.️ I have also never heard about problems regarding Foreigners in Mexico, who receive money from other countries but don't pay taxes in Mexico. At the moment SAT is more interested in Narcos laundering money or rich Mexicans who want to hide money. Maybe SAT tries also to become more strict with all the informal employments in Mexico.
I would be more worried that the EU country of citizenship make problems because they still assume a tax residency there... Maybe that's also the reason for this question of the thread opener.
If you can't show Mexican tax returns, can you convince banks that you're a tax resident of Mexico?
Just providing Mexican tax residence certificate and Mexican tax ID might not be enough.
Otherwise things would be so easy. Just get permanent residency. You don't even have to visit Mexico again to maintain the residency.
Just providing Mexican tax residence certificate and Mexican tax ID might not be enough.
Otherwise things would be so easy. Just get permanent residency. You don't even have to visit Mexico again to maintain the residency.
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Mexico is no tax heaven but you can surely get permanent residency here (speaking of an individual you need about 190k USD of savings for last 12 months, own a property worth similar money, ...) and stay here all year long
you will have not local tax id and any tax obligations
at the same time you can meat the criteria in your original country of tax residency and become︀ tax non-resident
Mexico is no tax heaven but you can surely get permanent residency here (speaking of an individual you need about 190k USD of savings for last 12 months, own a property worth similar money, ...) and stay here all year long
you will have not local tax id and any tax obligations
at the same time you can meat the criteria in your original country of tax residency and become︀ tax non-resident
So you mean you have to file taxes for a country to seem like you're a tax resident of that country unless it's UAE etc. That's what banks want to see. Is that correct?
Also that doc is 174 pages. Do you guys really read all that? I could use a pointer on what to look at since its long and complicated
Also that doc is 174 pages. Do you guys really read all that? I could use a pointer on what to look at since its long and complicated
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