Pavel Durov Arrested France

[mraleph]

Quid pro quo isn't free lunch.‍

Off topic, but at your responsibility 😉

I use two devices.⁤ One assumed compromised, an iPhone, for non vetted persons and information classified up to sensitive⁣ and the other for vetted persons and information classified as and above private.

On assumed⁢ compromised, I use all applications that exist for social communication. Asynchronous and asymmetrical channels are︀ used when private and confidential information must be transmited thru an assumed compromised device with︁ those applications.

Once a person is deemed to be vetted it's investigated and upon appropriate︂ due diligence I offer another device for our further communication. I reserve that offer for︃ partners or people that can be of other kinds of assistance.

I do not consider︄ more then 10% of information to be above sensitive where less then 3% is above︅ private - that is, confidential. Anything else is a defined paranoia fin4774"

I'm not generous person︆ - truly a cynic, so, not many get an offer for another device 😎

Mr Durov probably︉ read Dostoyevsky's Idiot and as every histrionic identified himself with a character. Narciss have that︊ need for mirrors.

Whilst I do not have a respect for Mr Durov, Mr Musk︋ as his contemporary has the qualities to play the game. Like Hauard Hughes once did.︌

 

[Houdini]

rof/% But nonetheless, the man‍ is a billionaire, and he’ll probably manage to get out of the problems he’s facing⁠ now. I’m sure there’s an army of lawyers ready to help him out of that⁤ mess.

 

[polonieth]

So, no specifics, then. I am all for hearing criticism of︆ SimpleX because, as it stands, in my opinion, it's the best solution if you want︇ an E2E messaging app with no real identifiable info. Open source, audited. I'd like to︈ know why I might be wrong on that...

But I've read similar versions of your︉ post on Twitter hundreds of times, and all they do is cite the same arguments︊ that apply to basically every aspect of privacy and security. "pysop", "honeypot", "look who funds︋ it" without going further. I think the funding aspect was addressed quite well here: Why privacy becoming a norm requires venture funding.

Yes, they are all starting points for︌ valid arguments, but without elaboration, they are rather thin on the ground. Where is the︍ specific evidence or technical details about SimpleX? And how can you say you're not in︎ a position to disclose details?

 

[mraleph]

This may be off-topic.

I respect⁤ your opinion despite that you have a wrong one. Time will prove that to you.⁣ And, I wish you without detrimental consequences.

Auditing and standards' certification doesn't mean anything 🙄 It's as accounting - can be quite creative fin4774"

The only solid︃ fact and a proof per se is a money trail. Qui bono? Forget emotions, ideology︄ and religion.

My businesses are for so long in the game that we︈ became the witness of failed claims and honeypots - Encrochat, SkyECC, ΛNØM, EnnetCom, BlackPhone and︉ other iterations.

COMSEC isn't an area where some random people without appropriate background and understanding︊ - software engineers and designers create a software that looks and sounds secure and declare︋ it as open source - should be anywhere near.

On the other side are formidable︌ adversaries in SIGINT and COMINT areas so those wannabes always get a crash course about︍ maturing.

Or, vultures sense the flesh and come to feast.

There are serious developers and︎ companies in COMSEC, but there is no advertizing as we serve a niche clients -️ governments, persons and organizations with security needs - where clients send a requirements and needs‌ - not the other way arround with offers.

I can say that I'm not in‍ position to disclose details as I'm not in that position 😉 Sometimes that's related to professionalism,⁠ often to NDA, seldom to internal interests. In some cases, it may be related to⁤ an ongoing investigation that we do not want to impede. In this case, it's related⁣ to internal interest.

 

[GPT]

You use a lot of words‌ to say nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I dont mind you saying nothing. Its just‍ not needed to write a chapter about it if you can sum it up in⁠ one short sentence.

"No" is a perfectly fine answer to any question for that matter.⁤

 

[mraleph]

You may say that⁤ for a lot of people here, but, thank you for notifying me. I've made a⁣ mental note to myself.

Though, I said much. Perhaps, you haven't read it thouroughly.

 

[jafo]

There! I fixed it for you!‍ smi(&% rof/%

Breathe in. Relax. They are NOT after you or︆ me! They are NOT looking at our communications. They have NO interest...unless WE give them︇ a reason for it!

I went to trial against the US scumbags with the help︈ of the <<<juice>>>, and the EU. During the trial, the prosecutor said this: "Imagine a︉ company running a motorcycle manufacturing business, and we can't find ANY record of banks, motorcycle︊ parts, employees, buyers, suppliers, etc etc. The defendant did exactly this. How do we know?︋ Because his OWN lawyers told us and the courts!"...
And that, my friend @polonieth, was when I fired every attorney right there in court and went pro se! The︌ only elbow attorney I had was the former US federal prosecutor (may he RIP), who︍ took me in when I was a teenager when I arrived in the US for︎ college. I mentioned it before. He was my General Advisor in the 1980s (NOT academic️ advisor).

I blasted their witnesses and agents OUT of the f*cking water! Mentally & verbally‌ abused them! Made them look like absolute f*cking morons! Caught them in one lie after‍ another!

So, relax. They got NOTHING! They didn't have ONE single piece of evidence! They⁠ didn't need to. All they need are "witnesses" willing to testify under oath (under the⁤ penalty of "perjury," but they will NEVER be prosecuted) to what "they saw us do"⁣ and "what we told them we did."

The gang members working under the ruse of⁢ "government" are ALL embezzlers, pathological liars, and bullies! They are scammers and liars spending hours︀ at the office and on the job to justify defrauding the taxpayers and the state︁ of their salary!

These are the DUMBEST MoFos you will ever meet! Useless vermins!

I'll give you just ONE EXAMPLE, out of thousands.... (I keep a diary...remember?)

This is Jack!︂ Jack "was" a Senior US District Court Federal Judge! I've known Jack for decades! Jack︃ has dished out innumerous life sentences to drug offenders and others for non-violent crimes. Jack︄ has sentenced several people to DEATH! ...and get this...Jack is one of the "nicest" of︅ these MoFos that I know.... stupi#21

This is what Jack's buddy and good friend, Senior US District Judge Thomas︉ Hogan (and professional neighbor...they had adjacent offices for decades and went on vacation together), who︊ sentenced Jack to:

...wait for it...

They have given people NOT part of the "DOJ"︋ (=Department of Just Us dev56""" ) life sentences for the same things Jack was caught doing.︌ It was a long list of federal crimes. They allowed him to plead a lesser︍ charge and, by extension, sent a message to other federal judges that the FBI/DOJ would︎ let them plead the lowest punishable crime and drop all other charges. 😉

I can go️ on and on, but why? 🙄

You get the picture.... 😉

1. As long as you are NOT‌ Pavel giving interviews and snitching on all the government agents around the world trying to‍ bribe you for a backdoor,
   
2. or Andrew Tate spewing the truth about the Cabal,
   
3. or Snowden,
   
4. or Assange, you have NOTHING to worry about!
   
5. Don't EVER sue the government and⁠ their Cabal, etc., either. Just don't! Any lawyer or "legal pundit" who tells you about⁤ your rights is revealing ***AND*** confessing to you that he is the Judas Iscariot in⁣ your life! Dispose of him quickly and swiftly! Take NO prisoners, as he has ALREADY⁢ identified you as his mark for a wealth transfer. This "lawyer" is more than one︀ million times worse than an armed and violent robber with intent to kill!
   
6. Ad infinitum...︁
   

PS. Who do you think introduced me to strippers when I was a teenager in︂ the US? 🙄 Yeah...most strippers are "Confidential Informants" of LE. Most escorts, too! So, be careful︃ who you "confide" in. coo-:!y

 

[sergeylim88]

i am no expert here, but i did read a few articles online
@mraleph gave you the best hint about what's the most secure way, he mentioned that he offers‌ a device. not just software, it's a device.

when it comes encryption, science applies.
there are many types of encyrption, and the best ones are known to public, since they‍ are developed at universities. so far there is no proof that they can be decrypted⁠ without a valid key or brute forced.

the weak link here is a device that⁤ holds all the data unencrypted.

when it comes to audits, yes they are like financial⁣ audits...you can even be more creative.
which version are you auditing, are you sure that's⁢ the exact version actually running on server compiled...

@0xDEADBEEF and @mraleph it is a pleasure︀ to have you guys here!

 

[dany]

What is it you all discuss now? It is not Pavel Durov any longer ?‌

 

[GPT]

The conversation fanned out just a little, but is still very much related to Durov‌ imo.

In many cases it’s what you read in between the lines that is helping‍ your personal situation. And everyone of us reads something different based on personal wants and⁠ needs.

 

[Wellington]

The most secure device? Today? There isn’t one

Perhaps a spade and a cave

The Israelis for example hacked into a room just using the light system then jumped from‌ that to a server

The Americans are listening all the time and watching from above‍

I had to clear up some code created a decade ago by a chap called⁠ Ken former NSA

They can code algos but their code is as spaghetti as their⁤ brains

 

[sergeylim88]

exactly my point.
without a secure device, the entire encryption story doesn't make any sense.‌

 

[Wellington]

FYI include a lantern in the cave with the spade.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveyw...80-feet-away-security-research-lamphone-hack/

 

[jafo]

I think this best describes how the discussion is going.‍ All extrapolated from the beginning of the thread:

😉

 

[Wellington]

Looks like you do‍ recordings and flow charts for all discussions on here, with posting this lol

 

[jafo]

It keeps my mind fresh and on point!‍ Some discussions I do NOT even get into because I have NOTHING of (credible) value⁠ to add, so I just watch and learn. 😉
I would shoot myself if I gave⁤ someone the "wrong directions" and they ended up losing/wasting money...or worse...their freedom! stupi#21

That's why I⁣ appreciate everyone's doom-and-gloom insights, especially yours, about subjects I know NOTHING about. If you ONLY⁢ knew how much sh1t I was able to circumvent and "fly over" due to the︀ myriad of warnings on OCT... 😉 ange¤%&

So, a HUGE "Thank You" to all of you who︁ have warned others about the "speed traps" ahead (by the corrupt MAFIA "in disguise")! coo-:!y

 

[toums]

Hmm many days since he got arrested and not PR announcement...
Starting smelling bad or‌ ?

 

[Wellington]

only if you use telegram for something illegal.

 

[toums]

It goes‌ beyond that. It's the whole TELEGRAM ecosystem and values. Without privacy, then just stay on‍ Messenger, IG or whatsapp..

 

[0xDEADBEEF]

It is the same‍ with Discord, a whole ecosystem has been built on something that has been flawed from⁠ the moment it was created. The Telegram UX is amazing, which (unfortunately often) means that⁤ security + privacy is lacking.