One clean way to move money

[JohnnyDoe]

Short guide on how to move some money between two subjects:

Subject A sells deep out of the money options on whatever he wants.
Subject B buys them.
All is done on open market through regulated brokers.
Worst case scenario a sucker buys the options before B does that, which would only be good.

Don't move hundreds of millions this way or SEC/CFTC will notice.

Also good for booking losses and reducing corporate taxation.

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[troubled soul]

https://www.offshorecorptalk.com/th...ror-trading-for-offshore-fund-transfer.32025/

 

[JohnnyDoe]

azb1 said:
https://www.offshorecorptalk.com/th...ror-trading-for-offshore-fund-transfer.32025/
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Yes but with mirror trading you can never tell which account will lose money.

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[troubled soul]

JohnnyDoe said:
Yes but with mirror trading you can never tell which account will lose money.
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Can you give example with number ?? My English is bad . Sorry in advance

 

[JohnnyDoe]

azb1 said:
Can you give example with number ?? My English is bad . Sorry in advance
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Deep OTM options have no liquidity, so you become the market maker. You as the seller decide the premium and the buyer pays it.
If you just do random mirror trading (like one account longs S&P futures the other shorts it) you can never know which one will make money because you can never know where the market goes.

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[troubled soul]

Like subject A has a dirty money, he sell the spy out of the money option @100 usd... Now subject b buy that . How can make sure that subject b always win. If big movement in spy happen what will be happen... Here how you can make sure that money transfer happen always. And clean account always wins...


Sorry my my ingorance in advance

 

[JohnnyDoe]

azb1 said:
Like subject A has a dirty money, he sell the spy out of the money option @100 usd... Now subject b buy that . How can make sure that subject b always win. If big movement in spy happen what will be happen... Here how you can make sure that money transfer happen always. And clean account always wins...


Sorry my my ingorance in advance
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In this example it should be B (the buyer) the one with dirty money. Seller doesn't put money on the table, he collects premium from buyer.
Value of options decays with time (theta) and goes to zero at expiration if not at or in the money. It's extremely unlikely that a deep OTM option becomes exercisable, but even in that unlikely case there is no harm because you own the other leg.

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[troubled soul]

JohnnyDoe said:
In this example it should be B (the buyer) the one with dirty money. Seller doesn't put money on the table, he collects premium from buyer.
Value options decay with time (theta) and go to zero at expiration if not at or in the money. It's extremely unlikely that a deep OTM option becomes exercisable, but even in that unlikely case there is no harm because you own the other leg.
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Ok thanks for your reply. Get it now. I thought you have some method for 100% money transfer. Clear money account always win type of method....

 

[ImKing]

JohnnyDoe said:
Subject A sells deep out of the money options on whatever he wants.
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explain for stupid's please?

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[JohnnyDoe]

azb1 said:
Ok thanks for your reply. Get it now. I thought you have some method for 100% money transfer. Clear money account always win type of method....
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If you put dirty money in the buyer's account, instead of paying taxes on it (which is a good way to give a major cleansing) you book a loss and avoid taxes, and the money that goes in the seller's account is 100% clean as it comes from gains on financial markets.

ImKing said:
explain for stupid's please?
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Like a call on bitcoin @40k on July 31 (maybe not)

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[bb8]

Wouldn't brokers be on the lookout for people doing this? @JohnnyDoe

 

[JohnnyDoe]

bb8 said:
Wouldn't brokers be on the lookout for people doing this? @JohnnyDoe
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If the two parties are not related, how can the brokers say anything?

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[bb8]

JohnnyDoe said:
If the two parties are not related, how can the brokers say anything?
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But the same thing happening multiple times with the same two parties must be classed as suspicious activity right?

 

[JohnnyDoe]

bb8 said:
But the same thing happening multiple times with the same two parties must be classed as suspicious activity right?
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It's the open market, nothing that will raise flags unless you are trading big amounts.

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[MiltonStone]

Not bad OP has a good guide, simple and clean way moving smaller amounts without attention.

 

[crypto7figs]

JohnnyDoe said:
It's the open market, nothing that will raise flags unless you are trading big amounts.
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Last edited: Jul 19, 2023

 

[JohnnyDoe]

crypto7figs said:
This is not what SEC will say. Same as insider trading, it's open market you buy whatever you want right? Wrong, they are watching it.
I mean, once could work. Once.
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If you are not manipulating a stock, SEC is not concerned. It's CFTC who monitors derivatives.
This is one of the many games that is being played every day. If you are not a total idiot, nobody will have anything to say.

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[NHRInvestor]

MiltonStone said:
Not bad OP has a good guide, simple and clean way moving smaller amounts without attention.
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what are we calling "small amounts"?

 

[TRGali]

You should note that it's also very likely the CME has "crossing rules" for option trades. When two parties pre agree on a specific trade, they usually need to go through a cross trade procedure to trade against each other, basically to give a chance for external parties (market makers) to either match or improve the price of the transaction. Be aware Johnny that, if the CME has these rules (which is extremely likely), you would be breaking the exchange rules (I would not want to play with them). If the two parties of the trade are not related, the broker/clearer will likely not see anything, but the market makers of the market you trade the option on will definitely notice the trade and may get angry they missed out on it, especially on illiquid markets and they are likely to report the transaction to the exchange (thinking one of their competitor sneakily arranged a deal without putting the trade through the cross procedure). So i reckon two unrelated parties may do it kinda safely once, but anything more I would deem risky as it would show a pattern to the exchange. Unless you trade at a price where the market maker would not sell the OTM option, but then, that would mean to get a strike closer and more risky to be exercised.

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what are we calling "small amounts"?
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Small amounts are going to be anything that does not trigger the market makers' hunger and anger. A few thousands on a far OTM options may be enough to trigger that.

 

[ivan1911]

Would one other solution be to have a bunch of crypto you want to own in fiat legitimately, make an nft series of 20 pieces , buy them first for 500 usd each then after a few months sell for 5k or 20k or whatnot and then pay dividends tax”¦

Would something like this work ?