Offshore company from an EU country

[user9823671]

substance is not just an office⁣ and an employee though. It has to be seen to be run from there, without⁢ your involvement. No country will accept substance of an office with no services and a︀ part time employee scratching their balls all day. They know what you are trying to︁ do. You have to prove it is a real office running the business, thus have︂ all the proof of a real office. Phone , internet, cleaner, utilities, staff contracts, managers,︃ etc etc

OP clarified tax isnt the reason for looking︍ offshore, but to protect anonymity. Plus, you don't have to risk problems with Romania if︎ you declare everything and do it properly. Only trying to hide it will.

OP doesn't︁ want Romania due to lack of privacy from a family member, so although for tax︂ purposes Romania is a good choice, for anonymity from the public it is not (to︃ my knowledge, unless nominees or something similar are possible - I have no idea)

 

[bogdy23]

Ok, my family represents the authorities. They have a lot of favors done to a lot︎ of people in high places. They do anything possible to shut me down. And I`m️ 100% legitimate. Like I said before I have talked to a professional over the phone‌ they said to make an offshore and you will pay taxes there. This however contradicts‍ what I`ve lean in Business School and what I`ve learned here. The thing is that⁠ in order for me to make money I just need an accountant I`m self-sufficient I⁤ just trade certain patterns which I`ve discovered, some of which I`ve bought a lot of⁣ them where scams.

The problem is that people want this information by force. It`s not⁢ worth selling at any price.

What If I set up there an office ok I︀ hire a couple of people from finance no problem Harvard educated no-problem how many should︁ I need? 10-20 people who will jerk off and read financial news and give me︂ the summary like I said I`m self-sufficient I don`t need help and I can`t give︃ out my employees the newsletters I read like let`s say Agora 99% don`t know about︄ this stuff and they will end up just leaving me.

SO the only legal route︅ is to create some offices overseas?
I`m curious how does ALPHABET (Google) do it from︆ what I`ve read their company is now offshore and they have this billion-dollar building in︇ New York.

 

[user9823671]

They pay professionals a lot of money to sort it all out. If it⁠ costs them $50 million to save $500million in tax it is worth it

 

[bogdy23]

What If I set up there an︊ office ok I hire a couple of people from finance no problem Harvard educated no-problem︋ how many should I need? 10-20 people who will jerk off and read financial news︌ and give me the summary like I said I`m self-sufficient I don`t need help and︍ I can`t give out my employees the newsletters I read like let`s say Agora 99%︎ don`t know about this stuff and they will end up just leaving me.

Can you️ give me a little more detail for this route?

 

[user9823671]

This gets beyond my knowledge. From what I understand,︀ it needs to be enough to show your tax authorities the business is run from︁ there and not from you. They know the tricks people go through to avoid tax,︂ it is there job to know all the tricks you know and them know the︃ ones you don't.

I imagine it depends on the business. Some businesses can be shown︄ to have substance with (a) some will need (b). This is where you need an︅ offshore specialist, not some random guy on the internet. Especially if the family aspect has︆ governmental sway, that makes it much harder, if they are actively hunting you down. But︇ tbh, it sounds a bit paranoid, that unless the family member is high up, they︈ will not have the pull to get things done.

 

[Nomad]

bogdy23, If you make decent profit, Setup a business in Cyprus and become a‌ non-dom resident there. Split your time between Cyprus, Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria. I guess if‍ you have a decent income it is not so hard to rent an Airbnb for⁠ 2-3 months in Hungary and Bulgaria. You can ask your friends or family to visit⁤ you there. If you are so adamant about living full time in Romania, it is⁣ going to be very difficult.

 

[bogdy23]

It does but we are in conflict︂ for many years. They don`t want to be known as they really are they must︃ keep certain appearances. The thing is the business needs an accountant to do the taxes︄ and that`s it I will handle the rest. There is no point in me hiring︅ people as they will just steal the knowledge and go away with it. People that︆ want money fast and are ambitious rarely have integrity and they can manage without me︇ this why the secrecy. Let`s say I put in Cyprus a Market analysis office people︈ to monitor news about labor, National banks raising or lowering interests, unemployment rates, agricultural rapport,︉ various industry indicators regarding productions but now, to be honest, I`m just dumbing it down︊ to a microeconomic point of view which I find stupid as yo don`t see the︋ bigger picture.

 

[bogdy23]

If I live in London for example︂ how much will I have to pay taxes? I heard that after a certain threshold︃ they don`t tax rich individuals?
Do you get taxed based on which country you spend︄ most of the time in? If I spend most of my time in Romania for︅ 6 months and 3 months Cyprus 2 in Bahamas 1 in London will I have︆ to pay taxes in Romania?

 

[Mark Ross]

@bogdy23 if you are based in Bucharest or Ploiesti, let's have a coffee next week‌ and we may come up with some solutions... Contact me on Telegram @Redsquaredmark

 

[JustAnotherNomad]

Every country makes its own rules.
Then if multiple countries say want tax⁤ you and there is a tax treaty in place, the tax treaty regulates what you⁣ have to pay and to which country. If there is no tax treaty, you have⁢ to pay tax to both countries, but there might be some relief for taxes already︀ paid.

 

[user9823671]

Very rich people don't pay tax because they pay a lot of money⁤ to expensive accountants and lawyers to setup a solid structure for them. This is not⁣ an option to everyday people. If you have this kind of money, then go and⁢ speak to a professional. As above, if you are paying $1million a year to an︀ accountant to save you 10million, the world of finance professionals opens up to you.

Obviously I don't know your situation, but if the family thing is that bad, I'd move︁ away. But you say this is not an option for you, but imply you are︂ in the 7 figures earnings, so why you trying to get information for free on︃ the internet. Got speak to professional who charges $100 for 10 minutes of their time︄ and get the best advice you can

 

[bogdy23]

I`m not trying to be︂ cheap here. The problem is I don`t know who to trust. The rule is simple︃ those who stand to profit are the bad guys. The problem I don`t know who︄ to trust. I have talked to a couple of accountants they all said they don`t︅ know offshore rules and companies because they have never worked with them. Also, they told︆ me to talk to some companies I did they told sure yeah you cand whatever︇ you want and you pay taxes there live anywhere. And here I have THE FORUM︈ the leading internet authority on this kind of thing saying to me otherwise. I`m torn︉ up

 

[bogdy23]

I can`t leave the country.︂ For reasons that will uncover me they are very pertinent reasons that people will understand︃ just that I can`t make public. I need to be able to do it from︄ my hometown

 

[user9823671]

Maybe join the mentor forum and get advice there. That is how the forum makes‌ money so maybe you can find some members more inclined to help (no guarantee though)‍

 

[CaptK]

So basically you want to stay at home, make money and hide it from your‌ relatives. As you said tax is not a problem and if your Algo is working‍ well then it doesn't matter how much tax you pay.

So if you want a⁠ solid structure to achieve all this PM me.

You will have to trust someone eventually.⁤