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For those Americans suffering, and that is every American who is a member of this‌ forum, there is some small movements going on that are worth noting. For the first‍ time, that I've seen, in more than 5 years, there is finally non-partisan cooperation for⁠ lobbying DC to untangle this mess. For people on here, its's lack of financial freedom,⁤ but for Americans that are bonafide, long-term residents of other countries, especially those receiving entitlements,⁣ it's even worse. This isn't my group, I don't benefit from promoting it except from⁢ the 'we're all in this together' Lobby to fix Citizen Based Taxation for US citizens︀. Out of all the efforts I've observed, including the many lawsuits, this one gives︁ me the most hope. If you're American, consider supporting their efforts.
 
Dear I do support their efforts but truth is those outside USA are considered︃ not loyal to the country, tax cheats etc and that is why FATCA effected those︄ outside USA mostly and if you look at historical efforts it was Democrats who did︅ this to us and don't want to listen to sound reasoning as they consider they︆ will be seen too as lenient on offshore tax cheats by natives in motherland .︇ When you look at their narrative you start thinking hmm. If I didn't have FATCA︈ or tax citizenship I would not be paying those US CPAs for my tax filings︉ every year and still be harassed by banks. Did you even know that it effected︊ US military children married to foreigners living outside USA? Yes it made them renounced as︋ their marriages would have crumbled up. Some of them went to US congress too several︌ times with their pleas but but FATCA still remained untouched.
 
I understand all of that. And agree. It affects anyone with a US parent because‌ of birthright citizenship.

I've been on this for several years, and I do see a‍ slight shift for things to change.

As far as the Dems vs. Republicans, both are⁠ equal in their blame. RO went around for the last two elections and raised money⁤ on the back of this issue. It even made it to their platform in 2016,⁣ but when push came to shove, the big corporations got their FACTA pass, and the⁢ little guys - - like us, and individuals, got thrown underneath the bus. RO said︀ 'when ran out of time' when in fact no one read the freaking bill before︁ it was passed. If they cared so much, then they didn't show it. Also, in︂ fact with GILTI and the repat tax they actually made it worse for Americans overseas︃ with small businesses...

But anyway, party politics aside, this lobby effort combined with some of︄ the lawsuits that are pending is the largest, albeit very small opening I've seen in︅ the last 5 years.
 
I doubt anything will happen as︆ now I see a different news that Treasury dept wants to get info on all︇ US expats renouncing to see if they have any unpaid taxes due or any compliance︈ issues too in the past. Things are too crazy in USA and they are getting︉ desperate like every other country is but Treasury can't look at big corporations to find︊ their tax revenues (they lowered their taxes from 39 to 21 percent under Trump) and︋ want an average expat American more under scrunity such as what Canadian Americans are upset︌ about now living in Canada for decades. Anyways I don't think any administration will want︍ to tackle this issue especially Democrats as they were the ones who shoved this monstrosity︎ on us and even the author who wrote the bill didn't think it would hurt️ an average American overseas as he stated in an interview. When you have citizenship taxation‌ based obviously what do you expect? Then they scream on Eriteria which has citizenship based‍ taxation too. 🙂
 
What effects me mostly is that︆ they have made banks and brokerages declining my account due to this law. They have︇ a full right to deny banking with this kind of messy law that US congress︈ refuses to fix and makes banks responsible.
 
It's a total mess. For sure.

I was referencing Yellen's confirmation hearing.⁤ There is hard data that suggest a couple of things:

85% of expats make less⁣ that FEIE.
Most moved for non business reason
Most move to one country and stay⁢ there

The other nuggets is, the ROI from the IRS point of view is very︀ low. They would collect more tax by focusing on domestic issues. The revenue they collect︁ does not cover the costs to keep the department running, it's only from the draconian︂ penalities that it makes a profit.

I do expect a continued crack down on multi-national︃ profiles, so, if that's you, it may get worse. But ostensibly it should work like,︄ the country that you are a resident of has jurisdiction of your tax and oversight︅ on suspicious money laundering behavior.

Blaming the authors of this law is fools game. It︆ gets you absolutely no where. Done is done, we're at where we're at and it's︇ about fixing this.

To that end, there is not one sitting Republican House Representative that︈ has voiced an opinion in our favor on this. There are however, 6 democratic house︉ reps that have a public statement that supports positive reform. The only Senator that has︊ voiced support is Rand Paul. Also, Meadows knows good and well what the problem is,︋ he chaired the hearing on this a few years back. As Chief of Staff, he︌ was in a position to suggest an EO that would have addressed this. The easiest︍ fix is to change the word 'citizen' in the tax code with 'resident'.

Also, it's︎ likely the GILTI tax will be overturned, at least in part, every effort to turn️ back some of this is a step in the right direction. That case is awaiting‌ a decision.

Until then, the only remedy is a 2nd passport, then renounce. Very unfair‍ of course. But that's the truth.
 
Other than facing issues with banks and️ brokerages I have no issues and I am complying with all their crap so I‌ don't have issues regarding this matter. I hate to renounce as I feel as an‍ American it's unjustified to renounce just for this matter. I can get a carribean or⁠ Vanuatu as second passport but I don't want to get them as I think only⁤ a UK passport would be much better than my US and a UK passport is⁣ very costly. Possibly I want to retire in UK someday but I don't know if⁢ I can afford it as of now.
 
Well let's see I doubt they will️ ever change the citizenship based taxation clause. Too many international attorneys and CPAs job will‌ go away and their lobby is very strong so this is something they would never‍ let it go. IRS does not collect anything out of it rather they are squandering⁠ away their resources for lobbyists.
 
I hear ya. I'm in the same boat, although I hope to getting above the FEIE.‌ My partner is a NRA - so we have options that way. There is substantial‍ talk to find a way to exclude bonafide residents of other countries.

But, the only⁠ for sure way out is to renounce. And it's an emotionally charged decision. It's just⁤ hard to do. And you're right, why should we have to? But life ain't fair.⁣ I also have an EU passport, so I have a way out.

The UK wouldn't⁢ be my choice to retire, but if that's what you like, good for you.

There will be some tax reform coming, and there are some serious Members of Congress that︀ know this have to be changed, including Jamie Raskins. The others off the top of︁ my head are Dina Titus (NV) and Don Beyer (VA I think) and he was︂ the Swiss ambassador when this all came down. So he saw the suffering and madness︃ first hand. There are a couple of others as well, but those three definitely get︄ it. Titus used to live in Spain and also suffered it first hand. I'm willing︅ to see what the new tax reform brings.

But I don't get where people think︆ they can benefit from an infrastructure and not pay tax... like the Amazon's of the︇ world. He's running his company with persons educated with our tax dollars... using the roads,︈ etc... it doesn't sit right with me. And people like us are paying the full︉ monty.
 
Exactly look at all of Amazon's zero tax︋ havens they used for decades. We are simply nothing but they get away due to︌ their lawyers advising them of all these loopholes US congressmen (tax law firms and lawyers︍ advise them) design for them while we get the short end of the stick. Mitt︎ Romney can get away with lower taxes in his Cayman company that became famous during️ his presidential campaign. Same as all the Congressmen included. Devising an ill advised law to‌ harass and terrorise expats and foreign banks and brokerages. 😉. I am not renouncing as‍ I may retire in Florida if I don't get UK. Life is short. We never⁠ know what new surprise comes up next.
 
Counting down the remaining 2 years until I can just renounce my US passport, it‌ isn’t worth the headache and I’m not gonna sit around waiting for it to change‍ when it could always change for the worse(higher renunciation costs, longer wait times, maybe they⁠ don’t allow you to renounce even one day)
 
I doubt⁤ they won't allow you to renounce but they might make it harder, longer wait times⁣ with more costs. Well if you are getting an EU passport make sure they don't⁢ make this type of law as they are seriously considering this law due to their︀ current situation. Then you will be like walking from one frying pan to another 😉
 
That's what I'm trying to game out... I have⁣ both right now, but with the way the world is turning, less passports may be⁢ preferable to more... ugh, such a nightmare.
 
this is very true however i plan to live⁣ in the Caribbean territory of a EU member state, I would wanna keep my funds⁢ and investments back in the EU member state rather than the island. This is why︀ in my scenario even if the EU does do a Citizenship Based Taxation it will︁ still be a preferable situation to my American passport since I'd imagine a EU member︂ states overseas territory would either be brought under 1 system or given basically an exemption︃ since their still residing in their EU member states territory. I will never be truly︄ 0% tax due to life choices like family, friends, etc I dont care to move︅ to somewhere like UAE.

I do think that much of the first world to their︆ detriment will move towards a US citizenship based taxation strategy. They'd rather die on ideology︇ and keep taxes high than compete with low tax countries that are functioning just fine︈ and in some cases better than their 50% tax rate counterparts.
 
US + EU passport someday could be 3 tax⁠ filings if the EU did a member state citizenship based taxation scheme hahaha god imagine⁤ that living in Canada and then filing for the US, EU, CA lol. What a⁣ world we may live in because of a stupid public who worship the government.
 
If there⁤ is anything certain in the tax\offshore field it's this: nothing gets better, only worse. So⁣ do everything you can while you still can as you don't know if you will⁢ get the chance tomorrow.
 
The correct approach is RESIDENT︅ BASED TAXATION, and your resident country is responsible for monitoring for money laundering of their︆ residents. Any other plan is double jeopardy and a hot mess if you extrapolate it︇ out.
 
Resident based taxation makes⁠ sense to anyone with common sense.. but government has no common sense 🙂
 
Govt looks for tax cows not your or mine's‍ way of thinking. 😉. Think why FATCA was cooked up not for tax evasion as⁠ told to general public. It was an indirect form of capital control.
 
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