No tax on trading profits when registered nowhere?

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Yes, of course, the Thai guy simply hires his‍ employees in Bangkok through his company that is registered in Singapore, boom, no tax. Not.⁠

It depends on your involvement in the⁢ company. If you're only a passive investor, it should be fine. If you run everything︀ from Portugal and the Singapore company is only a shell (only a mailbox in a︁ building with thousands of companies registered on the same address), then no. At least in︂ theory. In practice, there are probably thousands of NHR people in PT with such a︃ Portugal who are doing just fine.
Like I mentioned, there's often a discrepancy between the︄ written law and how it's applied. Either because the tax authorities don't have the resources︅ to go after everyone, or because they don't want to scare off the foreign investments,︆ or both.
 
I agree, that is a completely different scenario. But if the employees are in Singapore, a‍ Thai citizen managing that Singaporean company from within Thailand is not liable for tax in⁠ Thailand.

Good points.
 
That is possible, though I still doubt it if the owner works from Thailand and isn't‍ just a passive investor.
But even if you're right, it's not "because Thailand has territorial⁠ tax" (because pizza is food), but because that's how Thailand's tax code works, which falls⁤ in the category of territorial tax.
There could be other countries that also have "territorial⁣ taxation" and that have a completely different approach to this.
 
As a rule of thumb, if you don't want to pay tax anywhere, you must‌ not live anywhere. That means travelling all the time.
 
JustAnotherNomad, I'm not the one who said "because Thailand has territorial tax." I'm aware⁢ that different countries have different approaches to territorial taxation.
 
There is a lot of bullsh*'t and other comments but little clarification.︄ Personally will also not go in a debate on this as I believe there are︅ little to no tax consultants on this forum and every situation is unique and sometimes︆ complex

1) if you don't live anywhere fixed and don't have a residence, some institutions︇ consider you to be a permanent resident in the country of citizenship hence might exchange︈ all information to there

2) tax authorities if they challenge you will ask for proof︉ as mentioned in the post before. Still having ties with Germany such as bank accounts︊ which are registered on a German address and that receive regularly income can get challenged.︋ As in many Western countries in Europe your centre of vital intrest can make you︌ a resident, even you don't spend much time there.

3) every situation is different and︍ living in different countries can become very complex tax wise IF any of those countries︎ start to investigate your income for any reason. Many people have opinions which are what️ they are.. opinions. How many have had here tax authority investigations? I speak from personal‌ experience being involved in a tax investigation (involving tax authority raids on several locations) at‍ present in three countries and might further escalate to other countries. I definitely don't know⁠ all the rules and implications but some things learned :

- break all ties with⁤ European country of citizenship if you don't want to get challenged. It's ok to still⁣ have a bank account or credit card as long as it's infrequently used and definitely⁢ no regular income or outgoing, preferable not.

- make sure if you stay over 6︀ months in a country, it is a country only taxing on local sourced income and︁ not worldwide income, or you can also get challenged there (each country has its own︂ tax rules, make sure you understand them well and the risk of having them enforced).︃ The risk of being investigated is low if amounts are low, but anything (mostly unexpected)︄ can trigger an investigation

- keep most of your assets out of any country you︅ believe that can be a potential risk. Chose countries that are easy on transferring larger︆ funds, multi currency etc

- have a residence, preferable in a country that doesn't tax︇ on worldwide income, is not tax aggressive and preferable doesn't exchange information through CRS. Use︈ this residence to register bank accounts / companies in other jurisdictions

GENERALLY (this is not︉ conclusive) , individuals are deemed to be resident:
  • if they have a dwelling in Germany︊ that they use, or that is at least available to them (irrelevant if rented or︋ owned – even a room at a friend’s house could be enough if always accessible),︌ or
  • if they have an habitual abode in Germany. This can be assumed if the︍ individual is physically present in Germany for more than six months in any one calendar︎ year, or for a consecutive period of six months over a year-end.
Objective circumstances are️ decisive. Nationality is not, in itself, a criterion for determining residence or tax liability. Also,‌ registration with the German (tax) authorities is only an indicator.
Where an international assignee has‍ a residence in two or more countries, the employee is deemed, for application of a⁠ double tax treaty (DTT), to be a resident of the contracting state in which the⁤ employee has a centre of vital (personal and economical) interest

This is not entirely correct, since︀ you will still need to receive your income on a bank account, which has a︁ residential address tied to it and can result in tax implications.

Chances are very low︂ to have issues with this set up if the income is limited and you cut︃ most ties with country of citizenship.

Without a residence it is very hard to open︄ a bank account and if you are unlucky and get challenged it's helpful to have︅ proof that you have at least some fixed residence with long term rental contract etc︆
 
That's hard for a normal living person, even harder for someone with famliy!
 
Just wanted to add that among Western European countries Germany is‍ at the trickier end of the scale, in terms of how difficult it is to⁠ get out of the tax net, and how aggressive tax authorities are.

On the "easier"⁤ end of the scale we have the UK, where it is all determined by days⁣ tests, if you dont spend much time in the UK, you are not a tax⁢ resident there, even if you have bank accounts, property, even if you are employed by︀ a UK company, etc. Ireland is similar to the UK, but the days tests are︁ different (max 30 days the first calendar year after moving out, and max 183 days︂ after that).

Mid-scale we got Sweden, where if you have family, business, or a permanent︃ home in Sweden, you are still considered a tax resident in Sweden. No problem having︄ a bank or brokerage account in Sweden though. There are no clear days tests, but︅ as per court cases, there was a guy who spent 4 months in Sweden during︆ the summer and 20 scattered days during the rest of the year - and was︇ deemed tax resident. And another guy who spent 3 months in Sweden during the summer︈ and 21 scattered days during the rest of the year - and was deemed not︉ tax resident.

Norway is on the difficult end of the spectrum, but in a different︊ way than Germany. Basically if you leave Norway, after having lived in Norway at least︋ 10 years, you are still a tax resident in Norway for 3 years after leaving︌ Norway - which can be offset by tax treaties, but such treaties are generally only︍ in place with other high tax countries. Similar to Sweden, if you have close family︎ (children, spouse) living in Norway, or a permanent residence in Norway, you are still considered️ tax resident in Norway. A holiday home that cant be used all year round is‌ ok though.

Italy is mid scale, but unlike most other countries it's not enough to‍ just go to the tax authority's website and enter a new address abroad. To leave⁠ Italy, you have to go in person to an Italian embassy abroad , and show⁤ proof that you live abroad (typically a residence permit) so that you can be registered⁣ as an Italian living abroad (the "AIRE" registry). In some countries you have to wait⁢ many months to get an appointment at an Italian embassy. And if you move to︀ a tax haven, they make it extra difficult to register as living there, with more︁ paperwork requirements, and requirements that you must have been there quite a long time.

And France, well I don't know, I've talked to a few French people about leaving the︂ French tax net, and it seems very complicated, I just can't summarise it. Except that︃ they have this quirk that if you move to Monaco you are still a French︄ tax resident forever, US-style taxation by citizenship in other words, but just for one foreign︅ country, not for the rest of the world.

So tax residency rules vary quite a︆ bit from country to country, even just among western European countries. One has look into︇ the rules of the specific country that may claim tax from you. And the main︈ criteria which country that may be is actually usually not citizenship, but if you have︉ lived there a long time (10 years seems to be a cut off point some︊ countries use), even if citizenship often also matters.
 
Not true at all. If you really leave,⁠ it's very easy. It's not like Spain or Italy. There's no need to get a⁤ new tax residency or prove anything to the authorities.
As usual, the only tricky thing⁣ is if you have your "habitual abode" in Germany, that isn't clearly defined, but there⁢ is of course case law for that as well.

Sweden has very clear︃ day tests. 183+ days in a 12-month period and absence is not counted if the︄ absence is shorter than the presence in Sweden before or after. In other words, spend︅ 2 weeks in Sweden, 1 week abroad and another 2 weeks in Sweden - that︆ will count as 5 weeks in Sweden in the eyes of the tax authority.
The thing is that they can deviate from the day tests. For example, someone spending two︇ days every week in Sweden can be considered tax resident (I believe it's important that︈ this person also spends the night in Sweden though), even though it would not trigger︉ the day test.

There are︋ no tax breaks for French citizens in Monaco anyway, as far as I know, so︌ it's probably not that attractive for French citizens anyway?
 
Well, the process for leaving isn't difficult indeed,⁣ but it is the wide "habitual abode" definition that makes Germany fall in the difficult⁢ end of the spectrum. And also that German tax authorities are very meticulous in checking︀ habitual abode. I read recently that german tax authorities had hired lots more people specifically︁ to go after Germans saying they live abroad, but that might have "habitual abode" in︂ Germany. Boris Becker famously got caught for this, but the thing with Germany is they︃ don't only go after the rich and famous, they seem to - unlike other countries︄ - also spend a lot of resources going after regular people - and penalties are︅ stiff.

Well, days︍ tests arent clear if they arent applied, and much narrower undefined days tests are applied︎ in practice. Businessman Jan Stenbeck used to fly in daily to Sweden and live in️ a hotel he owned. They had to make the rules stricter just to catch him.‌
 
I don't think it's that unclear. There‍ is case law.

Just move and don't spend time in⁤ Germany, problem solved. To me it seems like Italy, Spain and I think also Australia,⁣ if I remember correctly, are much worse because they make it extremely difficult to leave.⁢
You can just leave Germany without taking up a new tax residency and no one︀ will come after you if you're really gone.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's︂ an urban myth ("He was sentenced because of a toothbrush"). Probably this was planted by︃ himself.
As far as I know he was factually living in his sister's (?) apartment︄ at the time. Which is really stupid when you're a celebrity who is being followed︅ around by parazzi all the time.

I'm sure there is case law for that as well. In general, one should simply︈ make sure not to spend much time in such countries and all is good.
 
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