Monaco residency

[Justit]

I like places like the dominican republic, it's just extremely far away from where all my interests, friends and family are. Thats why MC seems like a half decent place to have residency, just because of how flexibile travelling around Europe is.

It’s not possible to have everything in life. We all have to give up something at a certain point - it’s simply a question of priorities. If cars are the most important part of your life (and there’s nothing wrong with that!), then you can choose the best option for owning and driving the cars you love in the country you prefer, being fully aware of the risks that come with it. It’s your choice. It’s just important to understand that the possibility of owning and driving expensive cars in Europe while enjoying a tax-efficient environment no longer exists.

As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I know two people from different European countries who don’t know each other but both chose to become residents of Dubai for a very simple reason: they can have their laundry picked up at any moment of the day and returned clean and ready in no time. That’s their priority. We all have different ones. Can we judge them for that? Of course, not. Would I base my residence choice on laundry services efficency? Obviously, no!

What really matters is to be aware of the full context and the potential problems when you base your residence decision mainly on car-related considerations. And honestly, I don’t think you can get better or clearer insights on this topic than what has been shared in this thread!

 

[Marty McFly]

Your question makes no sense

It’s a budgetary/lifestyle consideration. Monaco makes no sense if you are concerned about a $500k bank deposit and car taxes.

I like places like the dominican republic, it's just extremely far away from where all my interests, friends and family are. Thats why MC seems like a half decent place to have residency, just because of how flexibile travelling around Europe is.

You will regret your choices when you will no longer be allowed to leave Europe.

 

[rss]

It’s a budgetary/lifestyle consideration. Monaco makes no sense if you are concerned about a $500k bank deposit and car taxes.

Says who exactly?
I'm currently in Malta where taxes on cars are absolutely insane, you might spend 180k to register a 300k car.
I also never said I'm concerned about the 500k deposit requirement, not sure where you got that from.

You will regret your choices when you will no longer be allowed to leave Europe.

I might, I'm not paranoid, if something like this happens, I will deal with it as life goes on, there is always a solution for everything if you have enough money and enough time.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Says who exactly?

I agree with @Marty McFly
Monaco is not the right place for someone who makes these questions

I might, I'm not paranoid, if something like this happens, I will deal with it as life goes on, there is always a solution for everything if you have enough money and enough time.

Only problem is you will have no more money and you will be physically restrained.

But it seems you are just seeking validation for your decision 😕

 

[rss]

Monaco is not the right place for someone who makes these questions

That's just speculation. I don't like to judge people but I can't control other people judging me, that's fine.
Sure, I don't have 100m, but I'm fine with locking 500k/1m in a bank account, not 5.

Only problem is you will have no more money and you will be physically restrained.

If that happens I will deal with that when the time comes. I like to believe I have full control over my Bitcoin and will continue to have for the coming decades.

it seems you are just seeking validation for your decision

I started this thread to know if someone had any update about the Monaco residency current requirements, I didn't really ask for anything else.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

I started this thread to know if someone had any update about the Monaco residency current requirements, I didn't really ask for anything else.

People here were just trying to save you.
Obtaining a residence permit is trivial: bank deposit + abode. You have to talk with the banks in person: what worked for someone else might not work for you. Don't expect any sympathy if you just want to "lock 500k/1m", don't have anything else to offer and don't have a clear history. The realtor will not make a special introduction if you are not willing to spend at least $10k/month for a rental.
If you don't have $100m, in Monaco you are just middle class. A distraction from real business for everyone. Nothing more than another annoyance.
You might be more lucky if you go there in a depressed period of the year, say Jan/Feb.

I like to believe

It's very dangerous to be delusional.

 

[Justit]

That's just speculation. I don't like to judge people but I can't control other people judging me, that's fine.
Sure, I don't have 100m, but I'm fine with locking 500k/1m in a bank account, not 5.

If that happens I will deal with that when the time comes. I like to believe I have full control over my Bitcoin and will continue to have for the coming decades.

I started this thread to know if someone had any update about the Monaco residency current requirements, I didn't really ask for anything else.

It’s true that you opened this thread asking for advice about choosing a bank and understanding the requirements for becoming a resident in Monaco. And instead, you received every kind of information except what you originally asked for. I understand your frustration.

But!

This is exactly what distinguishes a real expert from a pseudo-advisor who tries to please you in every possible way and simply gives you whatever answer you want to hear.

You might have been happier at first if someone had just given you a bank name and even a direct contact of a banker, without warning you about anything else. And very often, these people end up earning hidden commissions on your money behind your back.

When you’re busy with your business, hobbies, and personal life, you simply cannot have time and experience required to understand all the advantages and risks of each country. It’s a full-time job, and things keep changing constantly. What was possible five years ago is already completely outdated and creates serious problems rather than presents you some kind of advantages. This is why a true expert in relocation and residency is essential. Very few, though, are able to tell you the truth directly - the truth you probably don’t want to hear - no matter how harsh it sounds. But that’s exactly because they care! Their priority is to protect you as much as possible and help you do things correctly, not to flatter you or try to sell you something at any cost (which is precisely what I saw happening all the time in the OCT forum!).

That’s why it’s a real stroke of luck to meet a genuine expert: it gives you the chance to understand how things really are today and to make the right choices. The challenging part is recognizing who the real expert is - and who is just a “comfortable service provider.” Do you know where this comfortable service provider will be when problems start?

I know many people who ended up facing issues with authorities in Europe - not because they were criminals, but because they chose the wrong residency strategy and mismanaged everything. Later, they didn’t just dream of driving any car in the Dominican Republic; they simply wished they could enter the country at all and stay there. Even living under a bridge becomes a dream at that point, the only thing that counts is being there. But by then, it is too late. It is no longer a possible option…

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Well, I'm not an "expert" of Monaco, otherwise I would be working there as a tourist guide.
I just happen to know many people who live or used to live there.
I've been there a lot of times, considered residence, explored real estate etc. Done it all - there's not so much to do in Monaco after all. Even Roger Moore in his late years wasn't able to remain in the city all year long (I still remember his birthday cake we shared one evening).

It's an expensive, noisy and polluted prison en plein air.

You like it? Fine!
You think you can use MC residence to fool some other EU country's tax authorities? Think twice.
In the old days, some smart fellas just paid the concierge to turn on lights and water a few times per week in their flat. The trick no longer works.

 

[marioIT]

As everything... if you really want it you can get it. Knock doors at french banks (non-private) and one may like you.
Expect high ghosting rate. They want to know everything about you, from birth till now. ( if you get to the next step, police will want to know even more than that)

But first go look some flats in person... sit there, look around and ask yourself "do I really want to live all year round in this shithole"? and all the romance will end abruptly 🤣
maybe once there as a resident and not a tourist you'll recalibrate your priorities a little 😉

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Italians represent the largest number of fake MC residents, and Italy has spent twenty years hunting its own citizens who pretended to “live” in Monaco while spending their actual lives parked in Milan traffic. Here are some of the many cases of Italians that got busted for their fake MC residence.
These were publicly reported in Italian newspapers, all backed by official investigations or court filings.

1. Operazione Montecarlo, 2009.
   Guardia di Finanza investigated more than 300 supposed Monaco residents. The press reported names of Italian entrepreneurs in real estate, automotive dealerships, and luxury goods. Their pattern was identical: Italian homes, Italian school for the kids, Italian doctors, Italian everything. Monaco was only a mailbox.
2. Operazione Easy Tax, 2012.
   Italian newspapers reported that more than 1,000 individuals claiming Monaco residency were checked. Dozens of well known business owners were hit with assessments after investigators documented continuous presence in Italy using toll booth records, mobile phone data, and airline logs. The names were not random influencers, they included high value import export operators and luxury retailers.
3. Yacht and supercar owners, 2010 to 2016.
   Several Italian yacht owners claiming Monaco residency were caught when ports provided usage logs. A few cases made the press because the assets were large. One example was the owner of a luxury mechanical components group who claimed to live in Monaco while spending more than 250 days a year between Varese and Bologna. The assessment was several million euros.
4. Motorsport and luxury sector executives.
   Italian media reported cases involving senior managers of racing related companies who claimed Monaco residency while maintaining homes and daily routines in Emilia Romagna and Lombardy. These cases were straightforward: car GPS data and phone triangulation showed continuous presence in Italy.
5. The “Lista Monaco”, mid 2010s.
   Based on documents obtained by prosecutors, Italian newspapers published dozens of initials and partially anonymized names. The individuals were from finance, construction, wholesale trade, fashion accessories, and consulting. Several ended up settling or paying back taxes.

Every pattern is the same. Monaco residency without physical presence collapses instantly when investigators look at phone data, credit card usage, hospital records, CCTV recordings and flight logs. The targets were not idiots, they just assumed nobody would check. Italy checked.

 

[Justit]

The situation in terms of controls is much worse now than 15- 10 years ago.

 

[marioIT]

yeah afaik there's a special place in (Italian tax agency) hell for the Italians residing in Monaco.
Each year they're on top of every list they check... and now they do it with AI.
even if you go on holidays driving a supercar (doesn't matter if it's yours or not) and get stopped by Guardia di Finanza (they will stop anything that sticks out and shines really), and you're an italian citizen living abroad, that's enough to trigger more thorough checks.
and monaco is in a special list of black listed jurisdictions for individuals, with stricter rules and the "inverted" burden of proof...
aka whatever they find they can build a story against you... then it's up to you to prove they're wrong!
also there are a few tricks that one could pull with the Monegasque driving license and plate... but it's all coming to an end (sadly)...

on the other side Monaco has Automatic number-plate recognition system. If they want they know any time you leave the country.
There are more than 1300 public cameras in monaco... if they add facial recognition thing, it'll be the highest amount of surveillance per citizen ever, not even in jails...

Monaco weighs facial recognition for security, but concerns remain - NEWS.MC - Monaco News

Monaco weighs facial recognition for security, but concerns remain

news.mc

 

[Marty McFly]

Too many smart asses in Italy. Sorry but they deserve the consequences of their stupidity.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

If they want they know any time you leave the country.
There are more than 1300 public cameras in monaco... if they add facial recognition thing, it'll be the highest amount of surveillance per citizen ever, not even in jails...

They already know everything that goes on in the streets, they don’t really need facial recognition.
And they cooperate with foreign authorities. The moment they smell you are in trouble, and you are of no value to the country, they simply revoke your permit.