Low tax, low cost with good freedom setup: Romania vs Bulgaria is the final match?

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Bulgaria is saturated with old or⁤ new construction, many bought as investment, few are quality and a real investment. At 500⁣ eur per square meter I don't think that is a good investment, better check that⁢ out and if you like it then talk with a construction engineer, he should tell︀ you if it well built! In many places, doesn't matter if it's Romania or BG︁ or even Italy they used less and poor quality materials, so you end up buying︂ a bunch of garbage in some 10 years.

Personally I would buy something old like︃ 2-4 years old because if it's crap made and maintained then it's easier to see.︄
 
Those money should be more than enough for a⁤ normal life.

There are clubs with more than 10k eur per bottle of wine or⁣ smth else
 
Where would you live then?

Guys, I'm having some‍ real trouble understanding which one is the best option for me between Romania and Bulgaria.⁠

Can you help me?

I wouldn't really live there, but to be safe from my⁤ home country at least I would rent an apartment and live between different countries and⁣ move every 2/3 months (my home country 4/5 months, Spain/Portugal 2/3 months, somewhere else the⁢ rest of the time).

I would set up the company and maybe next year or︀ after 2 years or so move somewhere else.

THE PROBLEM:
I need to officially relocate︁ before the end of June, to don't be a tax resident this year in my︂ country.
The easiest move could be to go to Malta and keep my Ltd (now︃ under 100k/y) at least for a while, but the process to get the Residence Permit︄ became longer due to the covid procedures and I will not be in time anymore.︅ Btw I expect the business to grow up, so the company will be still an︆ issue since they will raise taxes and after 100k I will have to pay the︇ VAT as well. I considered also going to Dubai, with the nomad visa, and switch︈ my LTD into an LLP and get a zero-tax residence scheme, but still, I will︉ spend a lot on the apartment if I want a nice one or around 4k︊ in a place I wouldn't live in. So at this point, I'm not sure how︋ much it makes sense.

WHO:
A single man around 40, 100% online business (digital goods︌ and marketing services), I like the city life as well the beaches and sometimes the︍ mountains, I want to travel as much as possible and live in different places during︎ the next 1/2 year, I have a good English, poker player (the biggest problem for️ Dubai), and actually, I run a Uk Ltd.

ROMANIA WHERE:
Timisoara, Brasov, or Bucharest would‌ be my way to go.

ROMANIA PROS:
Slightly cheaper setup costs (not relevant)
Cheaper taxes‍ (relevant)

ROMANIA CONS:
I'm not sure where would I live, it seems more bureaucratic (but⁠ maybe I'm wrong), renting prices seem kinda similar to Bulgaria but properties to buy in⁤ good places seems way more expensive. Also, the cost of living seems a bit higher⁣ than in Bulgaria.

ROMANIA DOUBTS:
Timisoara seems convenient to reach by car and with very⁢ cheap flights connection with my hometown and some other cities (but limited in general, compared︀ with Sofia and Bucharest), while Bucharest is not convenient to reach by car, but is︁ more international and well connected with the rest of the UE. While in Timisoara there︂ is a large Italian expats community, the international expats community seems to be more present︃ just in Bucarest, which is more expensive than Timisoara and maybe a bit more than︄ Sofia as well.

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BULGARIA WHERE:
Sofia, Bansko, Varna or around there.

BULGARIA CONS:
I have never been to Bulgaria, and this is probably the bigger cons for me (since︅ I have to decide quickly and move before the end of the month). The second︆ biggest cons are the higher tax rates compared with Romania (10% on profit vs 3%︇ on revenue). The 3rd cons are the Bulgarian language that I don't really understand, while︈ I can understand a bit Romanian (this concern is more related to legal issues, than︉ daily life, because I would speak English as much as possible).

BULGARIA PROS:
I'm not︊ sure about it, but in terms of bureaucracy, the people I've been talking with seem︋ more confident that I will have fewer headaches than I could have in Romania. This︌ is also very important to me since I've got used to the smooth LTD UK︍ management. Bulgaria seems slightly cheaper and maybe more expat-friendly. You can actually still buy a︎ property for a very cheap price in Bansko or around Varna, compared to Romania.

BULGARIA DOUBTS:
At this point, I don't know how much it makes sense to care about️ the tax savings since we are talking about few thousand per year.
The problem is‌ that once I take this decision I want to work hard to grow my business‍ and I expect to increase the revenue/profits. Also, the accountants told me I can't deduct⁠ as many expenses in Bulgaria as I could in Romania (restaurants, travel, etc...), but on⁤ the other hand, maybe I could stay more during the year between Sofia, Varna, and⁣ Basko, and spend less money. I can also buy a small apartment and make a⁢ small investment instead of paying for rent.

The main problem is that in this situation︀ with the covid restrictions, I couldn't easily take a plane and just go there and︁ listen to my feelings.

So now I have to make a quick decision by just︂ googling which makes everything more difficult.

I appreciate anyone who would contribute with some good︃ advice 🙂

Thanks!
 
This is the‌ problem, I don't know. I've been in Romania a few times but never in Bulgaria.‍

This solution should be mostly for the company setup and let me travel 1/2 years⁠ without many trouble to stay 183 days.

Then I can decide where to actually live.⁤
 
I was in a similar position and⁤ choosing between Romania and Bulgaria and ultimately decided for Romania.

Here are a couple of⁣ thoughts that might help you:

1. Are you sure about the fact that you need⁢ to move before end of june? I am asking because there was a similar misconsception︀ I had about this here in Germany which turned out to be wrong. In Germany︁ the criteria is that in any given rolling 365 day window you spend no more︂ than 183 days in Germany. It is not connected to the calender year. If you︃ haven't verified this, I would advise you to double check with at least two italian︄ tax consultants who are experienced with emigration matters.

2. If this is a longterm setup︅ you are planning (like it is for me), I would ask myself if you want︆ to learn the language at some point. For me I definitely want to. Romanian is︇ a romance language, so it's much easier to learn than bulgarian (slavic language with cyrillic︈ alphabet). For you even more because you know Italian.

3. If you plan to stay︉ under 1mn EUR annual revenue in the near future, then 3% (1%) tax on the︊ corporate level in Romania is still significantly less than 10% in Bulgaria.

4. To make︋ such a move into a country that I haven't visited before would not have been︌ an option for me.

I hope these points help.
 
Point 3 makes good sense, however, point 4 what exactly do you mean?

I assume⁣ anyone considering to relocate to a new country i.e. Romania, Bulgaria etc. will at least⁢ take a flight there and stay for 14 days or even a month to get︀ some impression about what this country and the town / city of your choice is︁ a place you can feel would work for you.

I can't imagine that I would︂ feel good living in Romania or Bulgaria, but Bahamas, the USA and Caribbean Islands would︃ work well for me, so Switzerland would work, if I just had to lesson to︄ my feelings.
 
Something to consider, if you're looking to travel around or live on countries other than‌ your tax residence.
In most countries, in order to be officially tax resident (and get‍ a certificate), you need to be there for more than 180days per year.

E.g.
Let's say you're a German citizen, but you want to become a UAE, Romania, etc. tax⁠ resident. You create your setup in the relevant country and earn money!

Germany will at⁤ some point ask you for proof of
1. not living in Germany for more than⁣ 6 months per year
AND
2. living in UAE, Romania, etc. for more than 6⁢ months, coz otherwise you still have to pay your taxes in Germany.

You might circumvent︀ this problem by living in Europe and moving around anonymously (i.e. cars or trains).

Bottom line:
Avoid flights or stay in your tax resident country for more than 6 months!︁
 
Flights don't prove much as you can go by flight for example in Barcelona, but‌ come back by car/train/etc...
Anyway you must have something to prove you live there if‍ they ask you. I believe a rental contract and some expenses are sufficient if you⁠ live in a 3rd country for a while (Example: you are German, you move to⁤ Romania, but you live 5 months in Barcelona, 2 months in Lisbon and 5 months⁣ in Germany). You don't have anything in your name in Germany, a rental contract in⁢ your new country, your company is there. How can they ask you to pay taxes︀ in Germany in this case? I believe they have to prove you are still living︁ in Germany.
 
Thanks man! I did make the same thoughts and︉ I made the same decision!

I've been in Romania 7 times and I know what︊ to expect, but I never been in Bulgaria, so I don't know what I'm missing︋ there.

I hope I made the right decision, but anyway I can still change anytime︌ in the future.

Good luck for everything for both of us! 😉
 
Just want to point one more thing.

Let's say you make €500k/year and your business‌ expenses are €100k/year, profit before taxes €400k/year...
In Bulgaria you would pay 10% on the‍ €400k and that equals to €40k in tax per year. You would also have to⁠ pay additional 5% dividend tax on this so that's extra 20k/year to bank this money⁤ into your name, and that totals your bill at 60k.
You could live REALLY well⁣ with this kind of money in Romania.

Let's say you do the same in Romania,⁢ you would pay 1% on €500k that is total of €5k. The dividend tax is︀ also 5% in Romania but I'm not sure if you pay it if or not.︁ Even if you do, that would be slightly less than €25k so the total would︂ be €30k.

Now let's say you run your business for a number of years and︃ it will add up.

So, even if 10% tax is pretty low - 1% is︄ really a bargain.
Romanian setup will save you nice amount of money and I would︅ look no further...
 
if you do so you will have no proof that you‍ have been there?
 
as far as I understood from discussions with tax lawyers: rent‍ contract and utility bills serve as proof that you are in the country. Ideally you⁠ have also regular withdrawals from a bank account (you could even ask someone to do⁤ those for you). Hence if nothing else points at you being somewhere else, that should⁣ suffice.
 
honestly, I would not trust that lawyer and what he say to be⁤ true!
 
Best practice (but probably not needed anyway) would be also keeping all receipts of your‌ daily life, as well as flight tickets.
In case you want to evade something, travel‍ by train or car and ask a neighbor or some random to collect receipts for⁠ you as well, give a little money and everybody is happy.
Serialize all receipts and⁤ scan/copy them in order to preserve them readable for years. Avoid using your old Sim⁣ card.

You can't do more to proof your residency than that. (+ Rental + Utility⁢ Bills)
 
I am wondering how Poland compares? The maximum threshold for the low-tax micro-company is much‌ lower, if I am not mistaken?
 
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