Let's reflect together on the future of cryptocurrencies

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Does it still make sense to invest in Crypto today? What is the cryptocurrency market waiting for in 10/15 years? Apparently, as we read everywhere, states are gearing up to regulate this market, so it will be difficult to escape future stringent international standards. Buying cryptocurrencies is easy but selling for FIAT is not so easy and immediate if you want to remain anonymous. In a few years the situation could get much worse with a consequent loss of anonymity and an increase in fees. These days I'm thinking of increasing my investments in crypto a bit, but I wouldn't want to regret this choice in a few years. What do you think about it? Does it make sense today to continue investing in crypto?
 
Yes, I still think it makes sense to invest in crypto. Personally, I'm only investing‌ in XMR right now.
 
Forum police likes to delete my messages. So I can't tell you that nobody can forecast the future 10-15 years ahead, which is what you are asking.
You should consider what “investing” means for you. Someone invests by going short, for example. Others because they like fundamentals and are not concerned about the market price.
If you are in doubt, don't invest. If you are in fear of missing out don't invest.

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Yes. Better buy now than︂ when Bitcoin stands at 70k again. You might look at a 80/20 BTC/shitcoin portfolio if︃ you are risk averse, otherwise 50/50.

Selling for Fiat today is like a factor easier︄ today than it was a few years ago. Maybe you need to look to other︅ places if you find it hard where you are (that could be very well the︆ case, some places went orwellian).

States have been gearing up to regulate since like 2014,︇ nothing is there yet. No bans expected in US with a high probability as they︈ want the insane monster cap gains tax which they would not get with bans (and︉ with current Fed policy but they will find that out sooner than later).
 
The start is not thinking how to sell for fiat, but how to help others‌ to accept crypto as primary payment option
 
It would be very nice if you could spend crypto for daily needs, such as‌ shopping at the supermarket or pharmacy. But unfortunately, cryptocurrencies seem to have lost this opportunity.‍ Today, if a medium or large French, German, Italian or Spanish company accepted payments in⁠ crypto, it would immediately attract the suspicions of the tax authorities.
 
Large shops in Croatia already accept crypto. Supermarkets, gas stations, etc., including the national⁠ postal service through which you can buy/sell crypto. All because of 2 enthusiasts.
 
Honestly I've‌ never tried it. A company called Electrocoin created a settlement/payment processing system called PayCek -‍ blockchain payments for your business, which they all use. They settle payments in HRK⁠ (soon EUR).

Supported coins are: "bitcoin (BTC), ether (ETH), bitcoin cash (BCH), EOS, DAI, ripple⁤ (XRP), stellar lumen (XLM), tether (USDT), USDC, Solana, BUSD (BEP20), Dogecoin (DOGE) and Litecoin (LTC)"⁣

The tax authority has no problems with this. You can also invest in crypto as⁢ a limited company; they accept exchange rates from reputable exchanges such as Kraken or Binance︀ and the banks don't care.
 
In a way, yes. It's also possible to set up a crypto investment fund but‍ it depends on the amount of connections you need. Homepage - White Bridge Asset Management⁠

I assume that it should be fairly easy to do if you have support from⁤ Big4 though.

Furthermore, residents are exempted from taxes on capital gains if coins have been⁣ held for more than 2 years. Same goes for shares of an ETF, public or⁢ a private limited company (and NFTs I think).
 
It's 10%‌ now + local surtax, which is 18% for the capital (Zagreb). A place you don't‍ want to be living in anyway.

So if you buy something for 10k EUR and⁠ sell it for 15k, you'll pay 500+90=590 EUR tax total. Unless you've been holding it⁤ for more than 2 years.

Tax on dividends (foreign or Croatian-sourced) has also been reduced⁣ to 10% recently, along with the corporate tax for taxpayers with revenues below 1M EUR.⁢
 
For thoose who live on country with stable democracy and economic system, crypto future is‌ stil there to exist, but for one who like me from country that have instability‍ and travel limit because region devide by sea future not look great. For now central⁠ goverment allow all crypto till they see one that posses threat to their whatever agenda⁤ or goal to keep in power, for example monero.
 
crypto is a bankers product.‍
all it needs now is an event to implement governmental cbdc's which is coming.
Banks are in big risks and will fall like in 2008 but way more heavier this⁠ time and people will run into crypto because of fear losing their money in banks⁤ as in europe you as account holders are also made responsible with yout deposited money⁣ for the banks debt

consider current crypto like the dot com bubble
big majority will fail and︄ only a few will survive
 
Your post appears contradictory:
  1. "Crypto is a bankers product",
  2. "Banks are in big risk and will fall ..."
  3. "... people will run into⁢ crypto because of loosing their money in banks ..."
  4. "consider current crypto like︀ the dot com bubble
    big majority will fail ...
    "
Why would anybody want to︁ invest in a bankers product when banks are at risk to fail?

Aside from the︂ above, (large systemic) banks are in much better shape than they were in 2008.
Today a systemic failure like in 2008 is highly unlikely to come from the financial industry.︃
 
bankers always wanted to liquidate paper money to go full virtual to⁢ have full control over your money which they have only to an extend in paper︀ money.
however the opposition against virtual money is very big.I remember 20 years ago NOBODY︁ wanted virtual money.
With bitcoin and greed virtual money got popular to some parts of︂ the people.
Now it needs only an event to move EVERYONE to virtual money which︃ will be the fail of banks and "paper money" so people will flee into crypto︄ which supplies are limited.
Its of course a trap as majoroty of these coins will︅ in the end go to zero.
Once this happens the final CBDC's will come out︆ which will be linked to real physical gold to get peoples confidence back however
NOW central banks will have full control of everyones money and spending.
Banks won't be needed︇ anymore everything will be driven and controled via central banks

Because big majority belives in the nonsense that crypto is an anti establishment product.

Customer banks will fail as this is planned long time︌ ago.
If you would observe the banking market for a bit longer you would maybe︍ have recognized that banks were splitting into customer banks and investment banks.
Customer banks will︎ be not needed anymore after the CBDC's are out.
They will all go down.Some sooner️ some later however there will be a big bank crisis which will lead that people‌ will flee with their fiat to crypto

Its already starting
https://www.handelsblatt.com/finanz...ken-bekommt-ernsthafte-probleme/28590532.html
Some eastern european countries‍ already gave 6 months loan vaccation and another 6 months in the next 30 months.⁠
Guess why ?
This loan vaccation won't happen in western countries where people need to⁤ bleed out their wealth
 
@369 Out of curiosity, who do you think created Bitcoin? NSA? CIA? Some other intelligence‌ service? A consortium of banks? Is this consortium public or private; can you name it?‍
 
You do realize that faking the moon landings would require much more intelligence than actually‌ just doing it. Getting 400,000 engineers to keep a secret for 50 years ☺️
 
In my opinion it still︂ makes sense. Despite all the regulations trying to hinder or eliminate it ultimately nothing fundamental︃ has changed with the monetary system. In 10-15 years governments will still be enslaving their︄ population through the fiat monetary system by taxation and debasing their currency via digitally printing.︅ They have no other way to control their host population and crypto represents an out︆ which they will want to remove as an option. I know that in the future︇ there will be a lot more digital fiat in circulation today so number always go︈ up. If your country become too hostile there will always be another country welcoming your︉ crypto. A safe option might be to also invest in an easy to manage business︊ or collecting money through traditional means that gives you cash flow in case the crypto︋ to fiat rails get choked out. If you are saying otherwise it means you know︌ of a better/easier way of making gains some other way. In which case I am︍ all ears.
 
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