Is Saudi Arabia and China looking to ditch the dollar in a new oil deal?

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I chose my words badly when I wrote the defacto world currency.⁣ I mean the leading World currency, based on which parts of the World are set⁢ for growth and their likely future economic alignment.

I agree that China has problems, but︀ their human capital is rising fast. Scientists and engineers bringing skills back to China following︁ Western education. China will give that knowledge a Chinese flavour and catch up in technology,︂ even with a flawed social system.

Maybe there are four possibilities?
  1. USD remains hegemonic through︃ 2099. I find this unlikely.
  2. A global reserve currency or SDR approach that underpins currency︄ exchange and international contracts. Maybe less unlikely but I believe that any attempt to agree︅ it de jure would lead to its death by bickering and I can't really see︆ it evolving organically.
  3. The West will remain USD focused (e.g. trade between Canada in New︇ Zealand being agreed in USD) and trade between say DRC and Indonesia switches from USD︈ to CNY. While much is said about India, Russia, Turkey switching from USD to using︉ their national currencies, the reality is more likely to be the formula switching from USD︊ to CNY.
  4. A heterogeneous currency environment. Largely underpinned by real world assets, not just "full︋ faith and credit" and "I promise to pay the bearer".
A single "standard" currency for︌ contracts and conversions can make things easier (e.g. aquariums can use jellyfish as a unit︍ of account when trading for USD is illegal), but technology is moving to a place︎ where I don't think we'll need that single standard measure.

For example, how will the️ LTC/ETH price be determined, two seconds from now? It won't be set by activity in‌ the LTC/ETH markets. Will it be set by the LTC/USD and ETH/USD markets, or the‍ LTC/USDT and ETH/USDT markets, or the LTC/BTC and ETH/BTC markets? The reality is that LTC/ETH⁠ follows all three, to varying degrees.

I'm not saying that will happen, a bi-polar world⁤ is likely to gravitate to USD and CNY while non-aligned countries will use both.

Though PAXG is︁ small (still well under $1 billion market cap) it is effective, as can be seen︂ in its price stability. The advantage of blockchain over the legacy system is not in︃ authenticating the reserves of some commodity or stock. You still need to trust the issuer︄ in both models.

The advantage is in guaranteeing its behaviour further down the custody chain.︅ e.g. naked shorts in the USA and untransparent CDOs in the run up to 2008.︆ Those are problems that blockchain can specifically answer. You can see how Kraken holds your︇ coins, but you can't easily see if your broker loaned your stocks to three people︈ without your knowledge.

US, some allies, OECD think that it's going to continue to be their table. It has︊ been for quite a while and they have become complacent.
 
Gold backed currency does not work (it has been tried and failed) since you⁤ cannot prove (or no one believies in your proof) how many gold you own.
Direct settlement would be outrageous in todays age. Imagine sending gold on ships across the board⁣ to buy cars.
That does not mean they wont try commodity money again (and fail⁢ again).
 
Of course it works -- as long as other nations hold the⁠ reserve currency nation accountable. When President Nixon took the USD off the gold standard, the⁤ plan was to return to the gold standard after a dollar devaluation. But all the⁣ other countries of the world failed to hold the U.S. accountable. Hopefully, countries have learned⁢ their lesson and that will never happen again (regardless of whatever becomes the global gold-backed︀ reserved currency).

The U.S. was initially greatly︍ punished by the loss of more than half its gold reserves over twenty years. So,︎ a gold-backed system does work -- as long as nations are held responsible for their️ reckless spending by the loss of their gold and the demise of their national currency.‌
 

Saudi Arabia⁠ and China will align on everything from security to oil​


https://www.spa.gov.sa/2407997

China says it's moving⁤ to buy oil and gas in the yuan , a move that could threaten the⁣ dollar's global dominance in the long run​


https://markets.businessinsider.com...hina-buy-gulf-oil-energy-rmb-currency-2022-12
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At a summit with⁢ Arab leaders on Friday, China's President Xi Jinping pushed for the settlement of energy trades︀ in the Chinese yuan , a move that could weaken the US dollar's global dominance︁ in the long run.

At the summit, Xi said China will continue to import large︂ quantities of oil and gas from Gulf states and conduct its settlement in the Chinese︃ yuan, or RMB, according to a statement from China's foreign ministry. Most of the world's︄ trade is now denominated in the US dollar.

"The Shanghai Petroleum and Natural Gas Exchange︅ platform will be fully utilized for RMB settlement in oil and gas trade," Xi said,︆ according to a transcript of his speech published by the government-owned China Daily. He did︇ not specify when the change would go into effect.

It's not clear if any of︈ the Gulf nations are taking up the proposal, but Saudi Arabia , the world's top︉ oil exporter , has been in talks to use the yuan to settle its energy︊ sales to major consumer China.

Such a move would chip away at the US dollar's︋ role as the world's reserve currency, spurring "de-dollarization."

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Good luck.

They seem to forget one small detail: the USD and the GBP were‌ the da facto reserve currencies of their century because they were open, had rule of‍ law and because people trusted their economies and their currency. Latest stock market decline⁠ shows more than ever what currencies are deemed safe heaven and these are all open⁤ economies with rule of law (CHF, USD).

China is trying to force their currency as⁣ a reserve currency. That's an autocratic dictatorship of a country that is trying to force⁢ their non-open, non freely traded currency as a reserve currency.

People vote with their feet︀ and with their wallets. There is not a single person in this forum, no matter︁ how pro-China he is, that would willingly put his wealth in RMB. That says it︂ all. Chinese people themselves certainly do all they can to escape the claws of the︃ Chinese economic system and move their wealth to the West.

"Indepenent thinkers" can claim the︄ USD is going to be dethroned as global reserve currency. Self-proclaimed "smart" economists have been︅ warning about it since the 1980s and probably will keep crying about it well through︆ the 2050s.
 
Times change fast these days.
There are certain︇ entities and nations which lost 100% held in USD (confiscated) and it was not FTX︈ related 😉 due to certain events in 2022. It can't be much worse than that.
So, the USD proved to not having much rule of law either and "with trend is︉ your friend", more to come.
 
Glad you saw that too 😉. One of the reasons I created⁣ the below thread. Pandora's box was opened with that move they pulled. But I never⁢ hold any dollars or use dollars too risky for my nationality.

https://www.offshorecorptalk.com/th...th-to-avoid-future-potential-sanctions.36646/
Hopefully there is︀ no blow back on my island over FTX saga. But I hedge myself there in︁ case there is.

P.S When it comes to finance or geopolitics its crazy to put︂ one yourself in one camp. I play both sides like UAE, Saudi, India etc and︃ think with logic and reason rather than deep emotions that often triggers people 😉.
 
The data suggest that the RMB was the only currency actively *sold* by reserve managers‌ in '22. This is despite presumably one of the most extreme periods of dollar‍ "weaponization" ever.

On what was supposed to be the best time for RMB it's the⁠ only currency that foreigners are dumping.
But of course that won't stop the doomers here⁤ from predicting that USD is going to lose the global reserve status any day now...⁣

Source:


https://twitter.com/x/status/1642895513732218881
 

China to work with Asian neighbours to grow use of local currencies over US dollar‌ in trade, investment​

https://www.scmp.com/economy/global...ian-neighbours-grow-use-local-currencies-over

Malaysia, China to Discuss ‘Asian Fund’ to Cut US Dollar Dependency‍​

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...o-discuss-asian-fund-to-cut-dollar-dependency

Bye-Bye Dollar: China's Yuan Emerges As Most Traded Currency in Putin's Russia​


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...-traded-currency-in-putins-russia/ar-AA19s05o

Why Saudi Arabia Is Following Iran to Join China and Russia's Security Bloc​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...n-china-and-russias-security-bloc/ar-AA19fk9x
Bypass the⁠ dollar is the strategy and when global wealth is moving east exciting times ahead 😉.
 
How would Bank of International Settlements figures enlighten⁠ us, regarding the move (predicted by some) to a new economic system replacing Western hegemony?⁤
 
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