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I want to sell data scraping services(fb,linkedin,ig and many more social sites known to aggressively protect their data). Some of this data would be scraped using fake accounts.
I don't live in the US and neither am I a citizen. But my clients will be mostly from the US.

I know that If I would be in US / have a normal US company they could sue me and try to pierce corporate veil with CFAA to go after me personally, with the criminal section of the law. Ouch. Not sure they would win(from my research this is a very grey area, but getting sued by top paid lawyers for years doesn't sound fun).

In the case of non-citizen and let's say Nevis company, what options do they have? Can they still come after me personally with this law or some other? Does this apply internationally at all? Can they just sue me in the US and then try to get whichever country I am in to extradite me?
Any known examples of US companies suing foreign companies and going after owners personally? Wonder how that 's done. I already tried googling the subject but couldn't find much.
 
facebook gone after a NZ company and Chinese for selling fake followers under the CFAA‌ saying as they logged in automatedly which is against TOS thus they had no permission‍ to acess the server thus is unauthorised, i.e. hacking laws apply. Some mental gymnastics, but⁠ still. They argued that the US has jurisdictions due to, well just because. NZ folded⁤ out of court, not sure what happened to Chinese company

Pay some⁢ one in Nevis a $1000 to get your details? Depends how badly they wanted to︀ get you I suppose. But usually it seems they send a cease and desist and︁ don't follow it up.

But who knowa
 
Thanks! I am researching these 2︁ cases. Huge help.

Btw when I meant "what options do they have?" I didn't mean︂ for uncovering my identity(I assume they have resources to do this quickly) but for going︃ after me personally / criminally.
 
Go hide in Russia in some︇ remote siberian region lol. Nobody would be able to touch you there.
 
I think Romania will be ok as they have very vague cybercrime laws (and that's‌ why they have world's best anti-ddos service, hosting everything up to child P**N)
 
Disclaimer. This is not legal advice, this may⁠ be true / false / something in between. I'd advise you to speak to an⁤ actual lawyer for information you make decisions off.

That said, if you have a business⁣ that will give you some liability protections. I assume you are not a US citizen?⁢ Where are you a citizen of?

What will happen is you get a cease and︀ desist, it will be written by a laywer and an attempt to scare you. I︁ could probably dig out the one I received if you really wanted and I could︂ be bothered to try and find it. It will demand you cease what you are︃ doing, to contact them and provide your customer list, your codebase, you hand over your︄ servers, webdomains and come to an agreement on fines to them or face an escalation.︅ Quite a few companies got the same about the same time, some folded, some ignored︆ it and nothing else happened.

However, in the cases that I mentioned before, reports say︇ that FB then went to a US court and did something (what I don't know︈ the term, injunction? sued? I will try and find the reports and post them up︉ later. As NZ is a country that will pretty much ask how high when the︊ US says jump, the guys there were fucked if they didn't cave. The chinese company︋ can basically ignore them as the Chinese gov isn't going to do anything.
 
 
You found out anything? Any ideas︇ on how to setup a structure to offer any protection?
 
What if you dont open any company, just accept‍ crypto payments? Buy a .ru domain, host website on Russian hosting, pay for hosting using⁠ prepaid debit cards. You would be hard to get to really.

People will easily be⁤ able to pay you via crypto even if they only have debit cards. They just⁣ go to exchange that doesn't need any accounts and KYC, click to buy some Bitcoin,⁢ enter your wallet address and buy BTC. Easy
 
That would work, but how⁠ will you avoid to leave trailing ligs when you spend the money in the EU⁤ - or would you avoid the EU entirely?
 
You can cash it in some asian shithole where KYC is like⁠ a door in the middle of the desert and identities cost around $5. If you⁤ have BTC already, its 80% of the story.

It wont be easy ofc (nothing in⁣ this life is), but definitely worth it. People with more dangerous sources of income can⁢ do the same thing, why wouldnt you be able to?

(also there are crypto exchanges︀ that allow withdrawal of fiat without any KYC lol)
 
My experience with getting non-technical people to buy BTC is anything but easy.⁠ What exchange lets you buy BTC with a debit card with no KYC?
 
Did you try it, how much KYC do they require‍ to purchase for 1000$ bitcoins?
 
Approx 1 year ago, yes (bought around $2k worth). now‍ I'm using KYC based exchanges for less commissions.
When I was buying it, there was⁠ zero KYC needed. Whenever you are using your debit card, it already kinda involves KYC⁤ (Visa/Mastercard transaction has all the necessary information).
 
I have used coingate before. There are not as simple as click to buy BTC,‌ enter card details and enter wallet as you make out.

The problem with simple systems‍ as you suggest are you go buy your BTC, then put in a chargeback and⁠ get your payment back and the exchange is now out of pocket. Until that problem⁤ is overcome there is no instant buy BTC exchanges that will last.

Otherwise, the whole⁣ problem of payment processing for high risk businesses is sold. I really wish you were⁢ correct, as it would solve so much.

I am very happy to be corrected on︀ this and if you have a list of exchanges that work as you state that︁ are credible and not a fly by night shop, I will investigate them all
 
Anonymous company is easy, payments are the problem. I‍ am trying to find crypto option that could work for my clients.

This is an interesting one. So⁣ the guy is Indian citizen living in Bangkok, how do they expect to get him⁢ to comply with the court decision? It seems at best they win any assets he︀ has within Uncle Sam's reach? Is the strategy to get him to either stop OR︁ break court order so they can go after him criminally?
 
I think many of these cases are scare campaigns, FB, Instagram etc and billions of‌ dollars available and they do it just to keep the amount of people from abusing‍ their systems. They are very well aware that they do not get hold of the⁠ individual, this is about mass extortion.
 
They send out cease⁤ and desist to nearly everyone, and many fold there and then. But is rare it⁣ moves to this stage. I've only seen it for big companies selling fake likes /⁢ boosts. Perhaps this guy was a major supplier of cloaking software?

Or just perhaps they︀ could find out the owners details easily
 
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