German property tax

[369]

Based on new laws for 2025 property taxes in germany are going to explode.
Anyone having a bigger garden will have high fees to pay.

An example is Norbert Stalter who owns a house on a 2500 qm land.

His property tax will raise from 2025 from 400 euro a year to over 14000 euro a year.
https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden...rundsteuer-erster-bescheid-einspruch-100.html
And here it comes how they are going to force people to live in big cities in small appartments in EU

 

[void]

I didn't have a look to verify but this seems like a FUD⁤ to me - if true, it would ruin 50% of Germans

 

[chrisgerth]

i work in the field, this aint no joke. they going full steam ahead with‌ fucking over people as much as they can. look at all the moves the EU‍ has been done in the last 10-15 years by Germany being the post boy child⁠ of said EU implementations

 

[Martin Everson]

That's coming. Look forward‍ to your 40ft container eco homes smi(&%.

 

[Alonzo]

Meanwhile the ultra wealthy Germans with their 8 figure villas in München (Grünwald area) pay‌ less than 1000€ in property tax... Even in Sylt it's way less property tax than‍ what this poor man will pay.

According to the Property tax calculator (Grundsteuer Rechner) it is⁣ indeed correct - but I have no idea if it will impact all Germans or⁢ just Baden-Württemberg.

 

[void]

it's a blatant robbery‍ eitherway

 

[369]

In bavaria its not showing updated property⁣ taxes.Many Bundeslaender haven't updated the prices yet.

 

[Alonzo]

Oh that's why.

But still, these ultra wealthy Germans paid pocket‍ change money in property tax lol
I don't think so.
Paying less than a thousand euros annually for a house⁤ worth €10M+ in Europe is ridiculously low.
Let's take 10 million euros for example. If⁣ you compare this to other western European countries:
Portugal - IMI + AIMI Property wealth⁢ tax : 34000 + 132800 = €166800 annually
France - Property tax + IFI Property︀ wealth tax : ≈ €115k annually
Spain - IBI + Solidarity Wealth tax : Can't︁ find accurate IBI calculation so €139k only in Wealth tax annually
UK - Council tax︂ : £2500-£4000 depends where you live
Austria - Complex calculation but it's a 1% tax︃ on value of house per year so ≈ €100k
Belgium - Probably €10k in tax︄ (also complex calculation but I just compared similar property value)

The imputed rental value in︅ Switzerland is also very high but thankfully mortgage interest are fully tax deductible so at︆ the end you will owe zero in property tax.

So as you can see, for︇ these Germans it felt like they paid nothing in taxes for their homes.
And people︈ say property taxes in the US are very high but seeing those absurd European taxes︉ made me think that US Taxation is not bad at all lol

 

[marioIT]

They are going to play with fire in some places lol
f**k them and their voters.
If they want more land to build they⁤ can go east... e.g. Ukraine there is plenty of space now, and even more if⁣ they continue like this.
Just did the math, I'd pay way more than Mr Norbert,⁢ but as the old saying goes: ...from my cold dead hands.
They'll have to fight︀ small armies in some places...
It is really time to build communities of like minded︁ people and fight back.

 

[369]

Its not about needing more place.
In 1970's nearly all countries declared in a UN‌ resolution to get t90-95% of worlds land back to wilderness.
Agenda 2030.
Megacities etc are‍ all working towards it.

Like i wrote sometimes before here on a conference i attended⁠ back in 2019 by a dutch woman who advices biggest cooperations in the world how⁤ to prepare for future how she told everyone that living outside of the city will⁣ be luxury in the future

 

[Martin Everson]

In Bahamas you would pay $60,000 in property taxes on such a property 😕.

---- quote‍ start

1. For owner-occupied property, the rates are:
   

• No tax is due for the first $250,000⁠ of the market value
  
• Between $250,001 and $500,000 of the market value – tax rate⁤ of 0.625%
  
• Over $500,001 – tax rate of 1% on the remaining value
  

Total Real⁣ Property Tax payable for any owner-occupied residential property is capped at $60,000 per annum.

--- quote end

It's true Germans had it very good.

 

[JimBeam]

Not bad... Can I stack 3-4 of these next/above each other 🙂

The main‌ issue I have with this is the height.
I just can't live in anything below‍ 2.60.

 

[Martin Everson]

Well having a stacked container home in a future Germany will⁠ be considered an audacious display of wealth and will be frowned upon. It may even⁤ attract a new building height tax old)(#.

P.S Yes head height would be an issue⁣ 😀.

 

[JimBeam]

Just googled the container sizes.
Turns out that standard 40ft shipping container is 12.2m long,‌ 2.44m wide and 2.6m high.

But that's the outer size.
The inner size is 12.025m‍ long, 2.352m wide and 2.393m high
So if you add any flooring and ceiling cover⁠ you'd go to about 2.3m in height.

So that's probably okay for short term stay⁤ at some distant location (beach home or mountain airbnb type of unit)
but not for⁣ living in it whole life. Looks cool from the outside bun in reality it's like⁢ living in a shoebox.

I could see people from the Netherlands or Germany living in︀ these kind of "homes" in the future.

 

[Martin Everson]

Well could be a very good business‍ model in this. i.e container homes that can be moved on back of a lorry⁠ around Europe. So people can choose to live in other parts of Europe or even⁤ world on an extended basis. But I guess people may still prefer smaller caravans or⁣ hotels...but who knows.

P.S I think we gone way off topic now but you heard⁢ it here first....lol

 

[JimBeam]

I've met with some German folks who had traveled with this really big Mercedes truck‌ with a mobile home in it from Germany to Dubai UAE in it. So it's‍ doable for sure.