DAC-8 now in EU, Solutions?

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DerAufklaerer said:
I have Accounts on

Binance (Malta EU ?)
Kraken (EU/USA
Bitget (Signatpur)
KuCoin (Offshore)
Bitfinex (Offshore)
Pionex (Signapur)
Bitstamp (EU/UK)

All with KYC, but not all with address confirmation, only ID card and face photo.

I am considering having some accounts deleted or deactivated due to the expected new EU laws ?

Not all that easy

However, I have decided not to register an EU or German stock exchange like
Bitvavo
BDSEX or Bison
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There are some structures available that could enable you to keep accounts at the exchanges but benefit from the exemption of reporting.

To provide an example:
The CRS amendments allow for an optional new “Non-Reporting Financial Institution” category for genuine non-profit entities if they satisfy certain conditions and undergo adequate verification procedures by tax authorities.

Representatives from the philanthropy sector have highlighted that this can lead to highly undesirable outcomes, requiring genuine public benefit foundations to apply due diligence procedures in respect of all beneficiaries of grant payments and report on grant payments to non-resident beneficiaries, such as for instance disadvantaged students receiving scholarships. At the same time, concerns have been expressed by governments that simply extending the carve-out from the Investment Entity definition to all non-profit Entities could give rise to situations where Investment Entities would circumvent their reporting obligations under the CRS by improperly claiming the status of non-profit Entities.
 
The worlds most crpto friendly country is Singapoure

Exchanges:

PIonex
Bitget
Phemex

Bitget and Phemey same Layouts in Login

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DerAufklaerer said:
Has DAC-8 now come into force in the EU?
Reporting crypto holdings to the German tax office from 2026 ?

I was actually planning to buy and hold crypto on a German or EU exchange.
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It surprises me that they have managed to get it through and systematized already by 2026 - I must say it makes it less attractive to hold onto one's cryptocurrencies - the only thing that comforts me is that if you use some of these many anonymous wallets that still exist, they can't use that reporting for much.

Moreover, the tax law still applies in Germany, if you buy 1 bitcoin and leave it untouched for 1 year, then the profit on it is tax-free. So, in this respect, Germans do have an advantage compared to many high-tax countries when they introduce the same system.

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Lets say I have a Bybit account.
I use the Bybit only to deposit 3000 USDT a month from a cold wallet. I spend them online shopping using a virtual mastercard. When 0 balance I reload with 3k again.
Will I become reported under DAC-8 ?
I don't trade at all on this account and therefor I don't make any profit but I do have a maximum balance at 3k USD at a time and a total deposit (and spend) of 12x3000 = 36k a year.

Will I become reported under DAC-8 ?
 
abc123 said:
Lets say I have a Bybit account.
I use the Bybit only to deposit 3000 USDT a month from a cold wallet. I spend them online shopping using a virtual mastercard. When 0 balance I reload with 3k again.
Will I become reported under DAC-8 ?
I don't trade at all on this account and therefor I don't make any profit but I do have a maximum balance at 3k USD at a time and a total deposit (and spend) of 12x3000 = 36k a year.

Will I become reported under DAC-8 ?
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So, you are getting a loan to survive on a month to month basis as to not to burden the State and that you will pay back when you finally finish your project/startup, right? 😉
 
jafo said:
So, you are getting a loan to survive on a month to month basis as to not to burden the State and that you will pay back when you finally finish your project/startup, right? 😉
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One could think that however I just do not know who will be the lender of that loan...
But also it could be considered as salary since its coming in monthly which also could then mean it should be taxable. It would be a hard time proving otherwise as the proof needs to also be accepted by the counter part. Regardless of this.

The best thing would be to have that go under radar and not having to explain anything at any time soon as I do not make any profit on the account and my balance is never above 3k USD at any stage.

The funds stays as crypto and never turns into fiat. Therefor I wonder if my account will still be reported under DAC-8 ?
 
abc123 said:
One could think that however I just do not know who will be the lender of that loan...
But also it could be considered as salary since its coming in monthly which also could then mean it should be taxable. It would be a hard time proving otherwise as the proof needs to also be accepted by the counter part. Regardless of this.

The best thing would be to have that go under radar and not having to explain anything at any time soon as I do not make any profit on the account and my balance is never above 3k USD at any stage.

The funds stays as crypto and never turns into fiat. Therefor I wonder if my account will still be reported under DAC-8 ?
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yes, most likely it will be reported. Maybe there are reporting already taking place bc you use the card, idk that however.
You can only be sure to avoid reporting if you keep your name private.
 
How will this work with crypto cards?

Bybit, Blackcatcard, Crypto.com? Etc...
 
JackAlabama said:
yes, most likely it will be reported. Maybe there are reporting already taking place bc you use the card, idk that however.
You can only be sure to avoid reporting if you keep your name private.
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So you need a service offering private cards like it is around here and mentor group for instant. That is what you mean right?

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alain said:
if your crypto stays as crypto and never is exchanged to FIAT - very simple, just use a hardware or paper wallet.
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but how can one exchange crypto (e.g. BTC to USDT) in that case? Almost all exchanges either require KYC or have very low limits.
 
USDT said:
but how can one exchange crypto (e.g. BTC to USDT) in that case? Almost all exchanges either require KYC or have very low limits.
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P2P.
There are plenty! I have my own supply of "suppliers" who are NOT exchanges. I don't know how they do it. I also will NOT ask them!
I will send my supplier a message about exchanging one BTC for USDT. He responds with 57K USDT, for example.
I tell him I'll take it and give him my USDT address. He sends me the 57K USDT.
I send him the BTC.
End of story!
 
jafo said:
P2P.
There are plenty! I have my own supply of "suppliers" who are NOT exchanges. I don't know how they do it. I also will NOT ask them!
I will send my supplier a message about exchanging one BTC for USDT. He responds with 57K USDT, for example.
I tell him I'll take it and give him my USDT address. He sends me the 57K USDT.
I send him the BTC.
End of story!
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Indeed. Got a few contacts like that here in HK who will happily do that for me too.

zaybxc said:
DEX - decentralized exchange like Uniswap.
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THORChain is another great one.
 
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