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At now i have a little money on YOUHODLER because BTC = 3 & and‌ another StableCoins = 8 %

It is a EU Regulation Crypto Exchanger but not an‍ EMI. But they can desposit and withdraw FIAT so am a little sceptical

I have⁠ question the Support of this (CRS(FACTA):

Its forwardet to Compliance-Spezialist

i am Waiting of Answer⁤

Option is transfer to CH in EUR or in Cryptocurccenys also.
 
On Dukascopy is not good to hold Crypto because

Custody fee =5%/year

The Fee (Custode‌ fee) charged monthly. The fee is calculated from your balance at the end of the‍ trading Balance * ( 5 % / 360).

+

Investment delivery to blockchain
30 CHF⁠ + 1%

Investors who have bought Bitcoin (BTC), Ether (ETH) or Tether (USDT) as an⁤ investment have the option to request delivery to their blockchain wallet instead of just selling⁣ the investment.

These are extortionate prices

Swissquote crypto hold (only 3 Crypto Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum⁢ (ETH) und Tezos (XTZ) ) is fee free.only withdraw 10 USD. BUYING 1 %

But not problem go to FTX/KRAKEN/BITFINEX (Outside EU) or Ledger Wallet
 
Good to‌ know, it could help someone. Thanks for sharing.
AIA is a German term for AEOI (International Automatic⁠ Exchange of Information in Tax Matters) – the agreement that is the framework for CRS⁤ (Common Reporting Standard)
And AEOI is similar in principles to FATCA but independent of it.⁣ These mechanisms are running simultaneously.
See Art. 16. It is true︀ that the current wording of paragraphs b. and c. induces some doubts re: reporting of︁ Dukascopy and SQ accounts, as a clause corresponding to par. c is IMO missing in︂ these cases. I remember that ~1 year ago accounts never reaching the 10k threshold were︃ claimed as not reported... (it was discussed even here at forums, evt. search for it).︄ I think it is worth to ask Dukascopy / SQ support directly. (Honestly, I think︅ it is not a very frequent situation, to have constantly less than 10k on the︆ standard current account, so perhaps it can be overlooked by info pages and FAQs...)
 
Swissquote Answer:

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your message.

All accounts are subject to the‌ banking secrecy in Switzerland. Please note however that international agreements between Switzerland and the country‍ of residence determine which information, if any, is shared with the authorities.

For further details⁠ on the "Automatic Exchange of Information in Tax Matters", we invite you to consult our⁤ FAQ's or the OECD website.

Should you have any further questions, please contact our Customer⁣ Care on +41 44 825 88 88 (Monday – Friday, 08:00-22:00 CET).

Yours faithfully,

I see only this on Site:

https://de.swissquote.com/support/legal/tax-compliance/crs#
https://de.swissquote.com/support/legal/tax-compliance/crs/faq#
Q12) Wird mein Konto auch dann gemeldet, wenn⁢ ich kein Guthaben auf meinem Konto habe?
Ja.

= THEY REPORTED ZERO ACCOUNT
 
@DerAufklaerer:
Oh. In the︁ morning I recallled. (It was really ~year ago, when I encountered this information.) It concerned︂ Dukascopy and the trick was as follows: When they onboard you, they set an initial︃ limit for your account, usually 10k (or even less in some cases), that you cannot︄ overpass otherwise your money are send back to you (to another account of yours, or︅ you can pick up the cash). You can ask for increasing this limit (and in︆ fact, you are a little bit expected to do so after some time) but you︇ need not. And until you do, the relationship between you and bank fulfills the demands︈ of Art. 16 b and c, so it is not reported... And if they preserved︉ the policy of initial limits (~2 months ago it was so, as I heard), it︊ should be still valid.
I was thinking that some analogy applies to Swissquote and Flowbank,︋ too; as per your investigations, it seems that it is not so, at least for︌ Swissquote. So really sorry for spreading the (partially) incorrect information. 🙁 🙁 (Fortunately, opening an account ith︍ SQ costs nothing...)
 
I have a forwarded message to swissquote open. The forex support answer bt i will‌ have a law/special deparment answer. I still waiting. And its not happy i will close‍ the SQ account and tranfer to Wise. Its only 500 EUR at moment.

Swissquote:

Dear client,

Thank you for your message.

For regulatory and legal reasons, we cannot solve account⁠ related questions over the chat or by e-mail.

If you need assistance with your account,⁤ please contact our Customer Care on +41 44 825 88 88 (Monday - Friday, 08:00-22:00⁣ CET).

For trading related questions please chose the line "1".

You can send us a⁢ message over the contact form if you wish.

Yours faithfully,

I can not close the︀ accound by email
They need A LETTTER to Switzerland

Icard.com




My Account is longer opening but until now they have not︅ my TIN
 
Dukascopy question me by e-Mail (personally Operator Women) my income, jobs (how long) and names‌ of companys

Its more personally as Swissquote (only Telephone and calls cost me to Swizerland).....Flowbank‍ also more personally/basiclly

Let's wait and see if they take me in

i have cancel⁠ Swissqoute by FAX and i hope it works.

WE LIVE IN 2022 with Digital

Not in Swissquote

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your message.

It is not posible to close⁤ an account by email or in the chat.

If you would like to close the⁣ account, please send us a signed letter including the closing instructions to the following address:⁢

Swissquote Bank Ltd

Ch. de la Crétaux 33

Case Postale 319

CH-1196 Gland

Switzerland

As soon as we receive your payment and delivery instructions for your liquid assets and securities,︀ we will close your account and send you the closing documents.

In order to improve︁ our service, we kindly ask you to mention the reason for the closing.

Should you︂ have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us by phone on +41︃ 44 825 88 88. Our customer care agents will be at your service from Monday︄ to Friday 08h00 - 22h00.

Yours faithfully,

I have a answer of YUH.COM
This is︅ offerfor young People and from Swisssquote

So its 99,9 % the same as Swissquote procedure︆

In German:

So now we have clear Answer: SWISSQUOTE REPORT ALSO ZERO BALANCES.︉
 
Today my Dukascopy Account is activated

But i have no answer of CRS/FACTA Artikel 16.‌


Incoming Quarterly Limit = 5000.00 USD​


Defines the maximum amount of your regular income that‍ can be deposited on a Multi-Currency Account within a quarter.

Equity Limit = 50000.00 USD​


Defines the maximum⁢ amount of funds that can be kept on your account at a time.


You may︀ file a request for the limits increase in client cabinet under the Limits section. More︁ information about the limits can be found on website.

Kind regards,
 
Dukascopy

20. Automatic Exchange of Information (AEOI) Important‌ information: Switzerland has adopted the OECD Common Reporting Standard for AEOI ensuring declaration of bank‍ accounts to tax authorities about (and only about) clients having tax residence in a Partner⁠ State. Partner States are all countries which signed an agreement for AEOI with Switzerland as⁤ per the list available at: https://www.sif.admin.ch/sif/en/home/themen/internatio nalesteuerpolitik/automatischerinformationsaustausch.h tml. Dukascopy is obliged by Swiss law to⁣ report annually to the Swiss Federal Tax Administration (FTA) for AEOI about concerned accounts. As⁢ per current regulation, Partner States receiving information are not allowed to forward it to any︀ other state, may only use this information for handling or supervising taxation and must ensure︁ confidentiality of received information. As per current regulation, concerned clients have the following rights under︂ the AEOI Act and the Federal Act on Data Protection (FADP): (i) Vis-à-vis Dukascopy: clients︃ are entitled to the legal protection offered by FADP. In particular, clients have the right︄ to request which information was collected about them for reporting to FTA. On request, Dukascopy︅ shall provide clients with a copy of its reports to FTA and/or correct any possible︆ wrong data about them in Dukascopy's systems; (ii) Vis-à-vis FTA: clients have the right to︇ access information and to request that incorrect data about them resulting from errors in the︈ reporting process to FTA be corrected. (iii) For the rest we refer to the article︉ 25a of the Federal Act on Administrative Procedure. As per applicable legislation, the Client is︊ punishable by a fine of up to CHF 10'000 if he provides Dukascopy with false︋ statements or miss to update Dukascopy regarding his situation with AEOI (e.g. if the Client︌ misleads Dukascopy about his tax residence). 20.1. For the needs of AEOI, the Client hereby︍ unconditionally agrees that in case the account holder(s) and/or beneficial owner(s)/controlling person(s) on the account︎ have (or get in the future) tax residence in at least one Partner State, Dukascopy️ is authorised to report annually to FTA all following information: (i) the full name, date‌ of birth/incorporation, address, country of tax residence, tax identification number (TIN) of individuals/entities linked to‍ the account and having tax residence in a Partner State; (ii) the account number; and⁠ Dukascopy Bank SA ICC, Route de Pre-Bois 20, 1215 Geneva 15, Switzerland Tel: +41 (0)⁤ 22 799 4888, Fax: +41 (0) 22 799 4880 9/11 (iii) the total annual gross⁣ income, gross profit/loss and balance on the account at the end of each calendar year⁢
 
NEGATIVE ANSWER OF DUKASCOPY

Sehr geehrter xxxxx

Ihr Konto wird auch bei Null Saldoständen gemeldet.‌

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
xxxxxxxxx

THEY REPORTED ZERO BALANCES / ACCOUNTS

:-( :-( :-(

Then i‍ must close the account :-(

Dukascopy have now closed the account via chat operator (dukascopy⁠ 911 app)

In 2-3 Businness days i will get a email confirming account closure

So i can not close BANKERA (they have my TAX ID also) :-(

I have WISE,⁤ ICARD, WIREX

Option: Bankera Tranfer to Crypto Exchanger and then close Bankea. I will think⁣ about it
 
Answer of FLOWBANK
= THE SAME

Guten Tag xxxxxxxxx

Vielen Dank für Ihre Geduld.

Mir wurde gerade eben mitgeteilt, dass bei der FlowBank alle Konto, unabhängig vom Kontostand, gemeldet werden.‌

Bei Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne unter +41 22 888 61 50 zur Verfügung.

Live Chat - In dringenden Fällen können Sie gerne auf unserer Website www.flowbank.com im Chat Ihre‍ Frage stellen.

Freundliche Grüsse

xxxxxxx

= Account will reported

So i must close also
 
Why don't you just get a job instead of going to such lengths to hide‌ money from the German social security office?
 
We are in Offshorecorptalk

No Off-Topic

My solutions after CH Banks not works are now:‌

Crypto Exchanger:

FTX
Bitfinex

EMI:

- WIREX with SEPA and transfers from/to Crypto Exchanger :‍ BACKUP ICARD (both with VISA/Mastercard Cards)
Both have no Tax/TAN of me

- Wise for⁠ non crypto (with Cards)

Last but not least Advcash as Last Solution for parking but⁤ for me its only a FIAT parking solution (SEPA Transfers withdraw 5 EUR + %)⁣
 
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