Are we completely deluded in thinking this could work ?
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Apart from the obvious blackmail/rugpull risk - you also have to remember that if someone offers this as a service, you're not their only client.
Even if they have perfect opsec, one of their clients won't.
It just takes one of their other clients to mess up for the whole thing to go down. And then they'll offer them less jail time if they give up all their other clients... If that's even necessary. Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who the other "clients" were.
It's really a terrible idea.
There used to be a guy on this forum offering such services in his signature. He disappeared over night. Not too difficult to imagine where he went...
Even if they have perfect opsec, one of their clients won't.
It just takes one of their other clients to mess up for the whole thing to go down. And then they'll offer them less jail time if they give up all their other clients... If that's even necessary. Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who the other "clients" were.
It's really a terrible idea.
There used to be a guy on this forum offering such services in his signature. He disappeared over night. Not too difficult to imagine where he went...
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How does a company in an offshore jurisdiction come under jail time of eu/ us can you explain me ?
Tax evasion leads to jail in most cases. Especially if you deliberately hire fake people who then pay you back. Please stay away from such nullshit. It is not worth your time on this planet.
And how exactly is the pay you back going to be proved if somebody pays back in a defi/nonkyc exchange or hardware / paper wallet? Specifically hardware /paper wallets.
The bottleneck is the party paying you. If they are under enough pressure, they will fold and sell you out.
It is not uncommon for tax agencies to request owner information of these intermediary companies and investigate them.
If the person who is trying to reduce taxes himself implicates then he will face consequences.That is a given in any situation.If you open up your a*s for anybody to bang you from behind you will be banged.Still the offshore company cannot be attacked in any way because they obviously do not fall in the jurisdiction of the EU/US.So nothing can be done against them,if we even go by Nevis company formation rules it lists no foreign court decree can be applied to them.Seychelles does not publish its directors list.If the buyer of such services folds only he himself can be in trouble because the other side is watertight both for the client and for themselves .There is nothing the EU/US tax agencies can do about it.Simply it is not their jurisdiction to do anything there.Once the money goes into a blackhole its stays there.So unless the buyer of such services is a sucker he cant get caught because to prove the trail you need the entire transaction details the chain breaks once the money enters the bank accounts of the offshore company for which there are agreements and other supporting documentation.You can correct me if i am wrong.
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@providenceventurer with all due respect. If you want to pull of such nullshit. You ask somebody you know somewhere that you can trust and don't involve any bs companies that are very likely to get hacked like Mossak Fonseca. And then all customer data leaked. IRS and HMRC have good people able to track blockchains and see how much has been sent to that ominous address.
And just for the record, we are here on OCT and we help people the legal way. If he does not like UK taxes, he moves out and stops benefitting from their social welfare. That easy.
OP still thinks that he cannot move his company which is utter bulls**t. Either he can move it and pay less taxes. Or he is offering manual services in the UK for which taxes should be paid there. Nobody forces him to be there.
I do not disagree about moving away from UK jurisdiction ,but there are going to be many who are either closing down in the current year who need to suck out profits from the corporation and many not in a position to close who might need to do this.Yes Mossak Fonseca can happen and with same probability we can lose our life in a plane crash as well.I am debating the issue because i see logic on this side whether it is doable and possible to get away with it.Once a business closes and the client moves out of that jurisdiction there is nothing those jokers in the EU/US can do apart from sucking their thumbs.
If you want to do it, then do it yourself and don't rely on any nullshit provider you cannot trust. Ask a guy on fiverr if you can hire him and then meet him in person and ask if he can give you 90% back in cash or crypto. An average idiot will agree.
I have done something already which i have mentioned here as part of my experience.
Cant share everything here for obvious reasons but lets say many are sucking their thumbs somewhere. smi(&% 😉.As you know i am a Broke Millionaire ,Broke to my creditors in some country and Millionaire in some other.Yes my providence came through some such ventures hence the name😛😎.
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Jan 8, 2025He has no money. He wants to setup a loan scam in Japan and use the free JPY he gets to speculate on crypto with no risk.
Private individuals that follow this type of scheme infringe the law.
Corporations that do the...
Too many scams with you. But maybe this would be an option for OP if he does not value good sleep.
But did you have a tax audit with those fake expenses? Because having them while not being audited is no big success.
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I do appreciate you sharing your experience so far, but I would not dare to do any p2p trade with you.
Cant share everything here for obvious reasons. smi(&% 😉
If a government and my exwife is the creditor where i have declared bankruptcy using legitimate accounting( before setting up trusts elsewhere) and then i have moved away from that country renouncing its citizenship how does it affect my face to face p2p trade exactly.I am not interested in doing p2p with you.I only work with trusted clients whom i meet face to face else not.If the government can take 50% of your income putting a tight slap across your face and then collude with your cheating wife to take away another 50% of your assets through its joke of a court system ,how is taking a little from the same government and shoring it up in a trust fund for my kid unfair.And btw i declared bankruptcy to f**k my exwife out of her tall claims and the colluding government together who wanted a piece of the pie with its jerk type laws to favour her.It wasn't against anyone else .The day i learnt of her cheating is the day i started my grand escape from Alcatraz.I was a simple man who minded his own business these two didnt let me be.I guess jumping to conclusions is easy for some of the members.
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