Any tradi investment possible using crypto deposit?

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Hello,

Currently holding crypto (High 6 figures). Looking to deposit it back into tradfi platforms (Monthly or biweekly deposits of high 4, low 5 figures) . I hold a passport from an asia country (no US or EU residency) whose banks are non-crypto friendly. Thus I cannot sell the crypto for fiat and invest via banks back home. Realistically speaking, what options do I have? Not willing to commit document fraud on faking EU residency. Done some looking around and it seems that one popular choice seems to be cfd platforms but I am looking for something along the lines of real shares, bonds or funds. Does anyone know of any alternatives?
 
Just throwing out ideas I'm aware of. You can explore offshore brokerages that are crypto-friendly and allow you to trade traditional assets as well. Some countries have more lenient regulations in this regard.

Some platforms offer services that allow you to indirectly invest in traditional assets using your cryptocurrency holdings.

Some cex' have started offering stocks, ETFs, or other traditional assets on their platforms. You may not be able to withdraw funds directly to your bank account, but you can still trade these assets within crypto to grow your portfolio [to be settled in tradefi at a future date].

Also, consider taking out a cryptocurrency-backed loan. You can use your crypto holdings as collateral to secure a loan in a stablecoin or fiat currency, and then use the borrowed funds to invest in traditional assets.

Best of all, find a local P2P guy who can settle your crypto for hard cash, which you can transfer to your bank account, and use the money to invest in traditional businesses/stocks/bonds etc.

You can also chat with crypto lawyers, they know the best how to execute the above. You'll have to speak to a dozen lawyers, and feel each of them out, then choose to proceed with the one you find the most trustworthy 🙂

All the best ser
 
CyprusLawyer101 said:
CyprusLawyer101 said:
What about real estate?
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I am looking at easily liquidable assets. REITs would be fine but real estates are out of my comfort zone.
dnb said:
dnb said:
Just throwing out ideas I'm aware of. You can explore offshore brokerages that are crypto-friendly and allow you to trade traditional assets as well. Some countries have more lenient regulations in this regard.

Some platforms offer services that allow you to indirectly invest in traditional assets using your cryptocurrency holdings.

Some cex' have started offering stocks, ETFs, or other traditional assets on their platforms. You may not be able to withdraw funds directly to your bank account, but you can still trade these assets within crypto to grow your portfolio [to be settled in tradefi at a future date].

Also, consider taking out a cryptocurrency-backed loan. You can use your crypto holdings as collateral to secure a loan in a stablecoin or fiat currency, and then use the borrowed funds to invest in traditional assets.

Best of all, find a local P2P guy who can settle your crypto for hard cash, which you can transfer to your bank account, and use the money to invest in traditional businesses/stocks/bonds etc.

You can also chat with crypto lawyers, they know the best how to execute the above. You'll have to speak to a dozen lawyers, and feel each of them out, then choose to proceed with the one you find the most trustworthy 🙂

All the best ser
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Do you have some names you can share, or a juristriction to look into with regards to offshore brokerages or cexs that offer trad assets?
 
dnb said:
dnb said:
Also, consider taking out a cryptocurrency-backed loan. You can use your crypto holdings as collateral to secure a loan in a stablecoin or fiat currency, and then use the borrowed funds to invest in traditional assets.
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I think this very good idea
So you can be holding crypto and at same time generating extra money on the side with loan
But pay attention to loan rate.
You investment should be enough to cover the loan interest + make you some profit
I just don't know what to do in case you have a loan and you want to sell crypto.
 
uranium said:
uranium said:
I think this very good idea
So you can be holding crypto and at same time generating extra money on the side with loan
But pay attention to loan rate.
You investment should be enough to cover the loan interest + make you some profit
I just don't know what to do in case you have a loan and you want to sell crypto.
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Basically the loan amount in fiat will be just deducted from the crypto measured in fiat at that time of closing.
Or you want sell a part, it will increase your ltv %

The problem is if crypto melts down you could face forced liquidation.
 
JackAlabama said:
JackAlabama said:
Basically the loan amount in fiat will be just deducted from the crypto measured in fiat at that time of closing.
Or you want sell a part, it will increase your ltv %

The problem is if crypto melts down you could face forced liquidation.
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This is most likely the case, crypto can easily drop to 50% over the course of just 1 year. What to do in such case?
 
netqqw said:
netqqw said:
Hello,

Currently holding crypto (High 6 figures). Looking to deposit it back into tradfi platforms (Monthly or biweekly deposits of high 4, low 5 figures) . I hold a passport from an asia country (no US or EU residency) whose banks are non-crypto friendly. Thus I cannot sell the crypto for fiat and invest via banks back home. Realistically speaking, what options do I have? Not willing to commit document fraud on faking EU residency. Done some looking around and it seems that one popular choice seems to be cfd platforms but I am looking for something along the lines of real shares, bonds or funds. Does anyone know of any alternatives?
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What nationality and residence country?

Might be prudent to invest via a Singapore/HK Broker...
 
uranium said:
uranium said:
This is most likely the case, crypto can easily drop to 50% over the course of just 1 year. What to do in such case?
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keep enough top up powder ready to add to your collateral to avoid forced liquidation, or just stay below the current cycle low.
 
netqqw said:
netqqw said:
Hello,

Currently holding crypto (High 6 figures). Looking to deposit it back into tradfi platforms (Monthly or biweekly deposits of high 4, low 5 figures) . I hold a passport from an asia country (no US or EU residency) whose banks are non-crypto friendly. Thus I cannot sell the crypto for fiat and invest via banks back home. Realistically speaking, what options do I have? Not willing to commit document fraud on faking EU residency. Done some looking around and it seems that one popular choice seems to be cfd platforms but I am looking for something along the lines of real shares, bonds or funds. Does anyone know of any alternatives?
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If you create a holding structure for your crypto you can easily convert the crypto to fiat on a holding level and invest the money with IBKR.
No need to overcomplicate it.
Can even structure it tax free.
 
@JimBeam Unfortunately you are unable to top up yoru trading account via etoro's crypto wallet. I actually made an account thinking I could do that but it appears it is one way. https://www.etoro.com/en-us/custome...-crypto-wallet-to-the-etoro-trading-platform/

Does anyone have any experiences or reviews of MiddleEuroAsia on this forum? I have been approached with a solution but I have been unable to authenticate the legitimacy of their offerings. If anyone can vouch or send me a PM regarding their dealings, I would appreciate it very much.

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As some users have suggested, you can research into offshore brokers.

Some will gladly welcome your deposit in cryptocurrencies.

From there onwards you may be able to convert crypto to fiat within their infrastructure and expose yourself to traditional securities, ie stocks and ETFs. I know that some offshore brokers also have trading metals, CFDs and forex, as well as time-deposits and ready-made portfolios (in case you do not want the hassle of constructing one yourself)... Or if you have USD100k+ you can arrange for a custom portfolio based on your risk tolerance and goals. These brokers definitely exist. The next question is... If you decide to repatriate some stock market winnings to your home bank, this might cause some questions... But the smarter brokers have you covered even there...

To my last sentence, you can convert your stock market winnings back into crypto on the brokerage platform and withdraw... That's also an option with these guys...
 
A lot of great suggestions have made there in the comment section.

We do have some possible solutions in places which you could use to let your money work for you.

Let me know where we could have a chat!
 
dnb said:
dnb said:
Just throwing out ideas I'm aware of. You can explore offshore brokerages that are crypto-friendly and allow you to trade traditional assets as well. Some countries have more lenient regulations in this regard.

Some platforms offer services that allow you to indirectly invest in traditional assets using your cryptocurrency holdings.

Some cex' have started offering stocks, ETFs, or other traditional assets on their platforms. You may not be able to withdraw funds directly to your bank account, but you can still trade these assets within crypto to grow your portfolio [to be settled in tradefi at a future date].

Also, consider taking out a cryptocurrency-backed loan. You can use your crypto holdings as collateral to secure a loan in a stablecoin or fiat currency, and then use the borrowed funds to invest in traditional assets.

Best of all, find a local P2P guy who can settle your crypto for hard cash, which you can transfer to your bank account, and use the money to invest in traditional businesses/stocks/bonds etc.

You can also chat with crypto lawyers, they know the best how to execute the above. You'll have to speak to a dozen lawyers, and feel each of them out, then choose to proceed with the one you find the most trustworthy 🙂

All the best ser
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If selling it via P2P and getting paid directly in FAIT is an option for you, I have an idea for you. I am not allowed to post links yet. Tell me how to will update you.
 
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