Anonymous holding company for investments

[TacitusKilgore]

Hi all, I am fairly new to the forum but have been reading a LOT of posts on here.

I would like to discuss how to potentially go about setting up a holding company for shares that will invest in listed companies. I am interested in the Australian Stock Exchange but it's not a dealbreaker. As an example, let's say I want to hold shares in company ABC Co on the ASX. ABC Co pays fully-franked dividends which means that if my offshore company is not an Australian tax resident I don't need to pay any tax on the amount I'm receiving as a dividend. In this scenario I guess something like a Singapore Pte Ltd company would be fine as the income is not actually derived from Singapore and if it's going into a bank account outside of Singapore the government there will not care and won't want to tax me.

Let's take it a step further though. Let's say I'm involved in this ABC Co on the ASX as a Director. Let's say I already have shares in ABC Co held in my own name or a company in Australia but I want to increase my holding to more than is allowed of a public company in Australia (past 20%, etc). Setting up a Pte Ltd in Singapore does not give me the privacy necessary to ensure that I stay anonymous from anyone trying to find UBOs of shareholdings in ABC Co.

I have kind of figured out that I'm looking for:
Offshore company with very little to zero corporate tax (and on dividends RECEIVED)
Complete anonymity
A bank account and share brokerage account, which will be extremely difficult if I wish to remain completely anonymous

So, if you could explain in detail, how would you go about it?

 

[Martin Everson]

Are you crazy?

Don't be on here talking about⁣ securities fraud. If you want to know anything about securities fraud it is this.......NEVER⁢ EVER EVER EVER EVER THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!

 

[TacitusKilgore]

All hypotheticals sir. But if somebody wanted to remain completely anonymous, how would they go‌ about it? Because they'd need a brokerage account and you need a company from a‍ reputable country to do so I'd assume.

 

[Remy]

For the offshore company : buy a shelf company registered in Samoa, your name won't‌ be public on registry of directors and on the Memorandum and Articles of association, which‍ is always public.

I don't know broker for stock accepting a corporate account, mine in⁠ HK accept only personal accounts with KYC. You can trade with your corporate bank account,⁤ but for sure you will disclosure you as UBO. So, you have a problem.

Finally, if your aim is a Pump and Dump strategy on tiny or small caps in⁣ Australian stock exchange, this could you bring much trouble at the end of the day.⁢ Think about that.

 

[TacitusKilgore]

Definitely noted - I have a fair amount of experience⁠ in small-cap ASX-listed companies and would personally definitely stay away from that.

Shelf company from⁤ Samoa sounds good, although just out of curiosity have you got any tips for registering⁣ a new Samoan company anonymously?

Many thanks for your reply!

 

[Remy]

I know reliable corporate service in HK for register a Samoa limited, but not anonymously.‌

 

[lavel]

please post a link or don't say you know a‍ HK it look like you want people to contact you.

Would love to know who⁠ can help to setup a company in Samoa.

 

[TacitusKilgore]

Agree, please let us know @Remy!

 

[Remy]

The link is this one AsiaBusiness -⁠ Company Formation Samoa Service Fee , I know them BUT to answer the question of⁤ TacitusKilgore : it's not possible to set up anonymously a Samoa with them without provide⁣ KYC.

That's why I did not put the link before, logical in my mind, no⁢ ?

 

[Remy]

Sorry, guys, but I'm a bit lost with rules of the forum : if you‌ put a link quickly to answer somebody, people could accuse you to make hidden advertisements.‍ And if you don't, people could accuse you to make hidden advertisement for you. Especially⁠ difficult to appreciate what to do when the link doesn't meet the requirements of the⁤ question.

 

[Remy]

@lavel I read many of your posts.⁠ You ask often links of agents used by members to set up, but I noted⁤ you don't share often links for agents you used for your many set up.

 

[lavel]

I have shared some⁠ links in the past. Problem is that all the agents I find are trash which⁤ is the reason for why I keep asking for some reliable services. There is so⁣ much s**t out there damn_(

 

[Spinat]

The slight difference is that if you put a link⁠ that is advertising your own service it is self promotion but if you put a⁤ link which is for a different service it's helpful to all of us, capiche smi(&%