OVZA
New Horizons Paraguay
Ticker tape by TradingView

Seeking Refuge from Legal Challenges Abroad

Status
Not open for further replies.
I mean⁠ folks talking interpol and such here for what seems to be a simple personal dispute⁤ no one really cares about. (unless of course, the guy in question is the next⁣ cz binance or so or its a murder case or tax thing or so).

id say anywhere outside eu (which has an auto legal enforcement system between them even for⁢ petty matters which this one seems to be), no one will care really about a︀ simple personal dispute and accusation.
 
I heard that Israel also should be a good option if you are well connected.‌ Since I don't have the need for such exercise I don't know but I spoke‍ with someone about it years ago.
 
good question and point, the info what its actually about is paramount to the issue.

"if proven guilty" which is a big if either (again assuming the case of a simple‍ personal dispute no judge nor anyone with the exception of hired lawyers (which get paid⁠ handsomely along the way).

I was involved in the restaurant business (nothing fancy, a simple⁤ small shop no chain) in the past and there was once a break in with⁣ window broken and the safe destroyed (the daily cash income was gone, a few g's).⁢ Police doing the protocol didn't even care to take fingerprints from glass window or do︀ some forensics the day after lol. Never got anything out of the police report. This︁ is how unspectacular (small and boring) cases get treated.

Africa esp in the bush is︂ also a good option. No one will care to come to look for you, esp︃ not for petty matters. 😉
 
@JackAlabama We have to take his word⁢ as to the issue being a criminal case versus civil case. In which case a︀ Red Notice by Interpol can be issued and then each country can decide themselves what︁ they want to do.

https://interpolint.org/wanted-persons/
P.S Interpol has many wanted people in its database. The︂ stuff most people hear about is the big stories not the small guys that are︃ wanted for less media glamorous offenses like this guy or this guy.
 
these two cases are⁣ nationals of some hole wanted by their own country. Given the places involved, it can⁢ easily be due to having p** off one of the ruling clans with his investment︀ fraud (maledive case) and the CAR one can be due to whatever (pedophilia).
It looks︁ like the case is a personal dispute between two guys, which cannot compare to the︂ cases here.

So I still stand my point from before: Many criminal cases just get︃ thrown to the trash bin (what I wrote above).
I know paranoia runs wild these︄ days as the world is completely upside down, but theres still adequate measurement.

But again,︅ op must provide more info about what the criminal accusations are and how proofs look︆ like etc.
After all I can accuse my neighbor of having raped my dog, daughter︇ and mom as well or whatever I can think of.

But im open to be︈ corrected of course and amend my view of every crime getting auto reported and prosecuted︉ by interpol.
 
He is not charged with any of the things you've listed here; it's just that‌ my friend and the other person were business partners, and now the other party believes‍ he has been cheated out of 1 million euros.
 
ah thats the usual thing, which I already hinted in a former post. Just a dispute⁠ of 2 guys (which goes with a lot of barking). The dude should have made⁤ it to 5-10M 😉 not just 1. But anyhow.

Id take that easy and would not⁣ relocate. Its a case every judge or state employee would wanna throw into the rubbish⁢ bin, because its so mundane and boring and no career move can be made out︀ of it (unless the company is like paypal or a politically highly incorrect venture where︁ shutting it down gives career points or so).

It goes to say, if however the︂ 1M is coming from tax doged or so, the case will be prosecuted.
 
So its a civil case and not a criminal case as you stated? There is a⁠ huge difference between the two. A civil case is normally an issue between two parties⁤ the other is a offence against the state itself. He has nothing to worry about⁣ then wherever he goes then.
 
What happens if he loses and has to pay 1 million and then doesn't want‌ to or can't pay it? Then it's a bit naive to be sitting in a‍ country where they'll come after his money or belongings.
 
No, it is⁤ a criminal case. It is normal under those circumstances, that you first open a criminal⁣ case with the civil case attached to it. After 5 rounds with the prosecutor, the⁢ case will be closed and the Polish guy has the option to continue the civil︀ case. But he probably won't to this as it is costly and you need to︁ do all work yourself. A criminal case is very easy to get somebody to pay︂ in order to have it closed.

Nothing happens. I already wrote this earlier. He would have︆ to appoint a lawyer in Switzerland to start the Betreibung locally. And then, he would︇ just file bankruptcy and the case is over.

Only criminal fines can be converted into︈ prison time, and this time normally is not a lot. We are talking about one︉ week. I would still go sit it out. But again, this will never happen.

Is it his company or is it himself personally? Even if it is him personally, he︊ can just move the money to a safety deposit box or to a foreign bank.︋ How will they ever find it?
 
I'm actually impressed by how much you know about legal systems, laws, and criminal cases‌ in taxation and finance. Deep respect for your very professional knowledge, but I wonder where‍ you all learn all this from 😛
 
If its a criminal case then what is the crime he is accused of committing by⁢ the government out of interest? Maybe a legal expert can step in here.

If he can't︃ pay then they can look at garnishing his income, seizing assets etc. This happens everyday︄ to people who can't pay money they owe. In worst case if he does not︅ have the money then he cannot pay it and its that simple. More rounds of︆ legal fighting will have to take place to come to some sort of outcome if︇ they want the money. But number rule of suing anyone is make sure they have︈ the money you are after. No point suing i.e a homeless man.
 
well yes, very possible they can get his money in Switzerland due to the lugano convention⁠ with a final judgement from poland. But there are ways to mitigate the severeness of⁤ the outcome in case hes really due for 1M.
However I do not know if⁣ Poland is exempt from the Lugano convention due to having questionable institutions, but the lugano⁢ convention is def something to look into if Switzerland as residence place is involved.

Id assume the dude went to police and said his business︂ partner stole his money or embezzled it or smth along that line.
Or spent too︃ much on hookers and blow (they might have been doing that together but suddenly the︄ other party doesnt remember it (bc gf caught him with lipstick).

Pretty much the usual︅ things which happen when a relation goes south or one party wanna get back at︆ the other for whatever reason.
 
You just go to the police or the send a⁠ letter to the prosecutor and claim he committed "fraud." What I wonder here is more⁤ what is actually the case and why the Swedish already paid a lot to lawyers.⁣ Because normally such cases are closed fairly quickly after about 3 rounds with the prosecutor.⁢ Hence, it would be interesting to know if there are any substantiated criminal claims.

Yes, he can only get, what there is. It is︆ costly and will delay all. And in the mean time, he can then still shift︇ the money and move elsewhere. If there are only civil claims, he is quite free︈ to move and the possibilities of collection are limited outside the Europe. Imaging him trying︉ to collect in Peru and by the time anything happens, he is already in Paraguay︊ while the money sits in a safety deposit box or a customs bonded warehouse in︋ Geneva? The experience shows that nothing happens in the court in the first case. Maybe︌ 50k if he is lucky while the lawyers cost 80k on both sides.

Who owes︍ the money to the Polish guy? The Swedish guy or a Swiss company or somebody︎ else?
 
If he did go to police and claim fraud or︀ theft then yes it is very bad for him. Then its no longer a breach︁ of rights or agreement but potentially real criminal actions that took place. Only OP will︂ know the full extent of the case.

In any case his lawyer will be able︃ to inform him if its just a case of you will owe 1 million and︄ there will be a lien against you if you lose. That's best outcome rather than︅ some sort of fraud case etc reported to police that your in court for alongside︆ the agreement breach 😕.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

JohnnyDoe.is is an uncensored discussion forum
focused on free speech,
independent thinking, and controversial ideas.
Everyone is responsible for their own words.

Quick Navigation

Forums

User Menu

Login
Community platform by JohnnyDoe © 2025 JohnnyDoe
Top Bottom