Russian Citizenship by Investment

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I totally agree. Many rich Russians are escaping Russia ,⁠ settling even in Western countries
It will get more ant more difficult to move funds⁤ out of Russia.
For example, you cannot easily convert rubles to euros and wire it.⁣ It's almost impossible
Why these rich russians keep billions in Swiss banks and live in⁢ South of Europe 20million villas if Russia is so perfect place to live?
 
nice story 😉
1. multi-millionaires, peta-millionaires, billionaires are VERY unhappy, because their︀ kids are in normal universities in UK, US, FR for example, and they like to︁ travel WW
2. you are right - was will be finished soon with the absolute︂ defeat of this wild crazy preudo-empire. And we will give their, as you say, natural︃ resources to China. And everyone will be happy. Working on this right now.
p.s. their︄ nuclear weapons rotted long ago and was sold by drunken warriors in the army.

By the way, after we (I mean the civilized world) defeat these morons and cattle, their︅ nuclear weapons will be confiscated, which, by the way, they got by an absurd accident.︆

So I very NOT recommend you to try relocate in that hell 😉
 
Russians still⁣ trust Swiss banks? lolwut? That's so 20th century. Swiss banks about are about as safe⁢ as US banks, reasonably stable but zero privacy.

Why would someone want to live in︀ an expensive part of Europe? The same reason someone would want to live in Bel︁ Air. If you have money to the point that the taxes don't matter you can︂ isolate yourself from the dumpster fire that surrounds your compound and enjoy yourself. There's a︃ big different between having a nice place in Europe and primarily doing business in Europe.︄

Can't get money out of Russia? You must be joking. Rubles to crypto or yuan,︅ then to whatever else you want. If you want a paper trail for some reason︆ a Hong Kong company with a yuan bank account gets your money out of Russia︇ and it can now freely go anywhere in the world. OTOH, with as much of︈ a PITA as HK as become it might be faster for a Russian to open︉ a yuan account in China due to those friendly relations. Either way, mission accomplished.

Personally, I don't find rich people of any national origin moving︌ to Dubai being all that surprising, especially now that you can get permanent residence by︍ buying a 2m AED condo. The weather is great (summer is hot if you're a︎ wuss), quantity and availability of tremendous food rivals Singapore and Hong Kong (at a bit️ of a premium, but if you're rich enough an extra 200 AED for dinner is‌ no big deal, great hotel buffets are a relative steal at Singapore/Las Vegas prices). There‍ are multiple amusement and water parks in metro area. Internet and cell service are just⁠ below Singapore for second best in the world, even if they go for 3-5x what⁤ they cost in the US. With streaming, VPNs and good internet Dubai's TV packages sucking⁣ is no longer an issue. Gorgeous escorts can be rented at prices much lower than⁢ they would command in Singapore or Amsterdam. The emirate has far more thirsty professional western︀ women looking for hookups than you would think. Dubai is an attractive option even if︁ you didn't live in a place as cold as Russia for the last 20+ years.︂ The last time I checked no one in the UAE was using Russia protecting the︃ lives of ethnic Russians living in the Borderlands as an excuse to steal everything in︄ the UAE owned by private Russian citizens. A better question to ask is why anyone︅ reading this forum wouldn't want permanent residence in Dubai.

That leads me to asking why︆ you appear to think middle class Russians would be better off in Dubai. People that︇ aren't rich moving to Dubai are cheap domestic help, cheap hard labor, cheap hotel/restaurant/resort workers︈ and hookers. The bottom of the top 1% from any developed country is relatively poor︉ in Dubai. 1-1.5m AED is a good living most places, but doesn't go as far︊ as you would like, not to mention having very low social status. My understanding is︋ that anything under 5m AED/year makes you the emerati equivalent of white trash. When I︌ priced out internet and cell service a few months ago what I get for $95/mo︍ in the US would cost a little over $500/mo from Etisalat. Things like electricity and︎ running water are also a multiple of what you're used to paying. Without a very️ good job in place anyone from the upper middle class in a developed country would‌ be taking a big lifestyle hit, to say nothing of middle class. A head of‍ lettuce was at least $6 BEFORE the recent food inflation hit. I don't know how⁠ much groceries run in Dubai now, but if a dozen eggs are over $4 in⁤ the US I'm sure it's much higher there. Monthly condo fees on places I looked⁣ at that aren't that nice hit 7-10k+ AED. Everything that isn't sand or crude oil⁢ is imported and costs more than it does just about anywhere else in the world.︀ Giving the maid money to get your groceries and do other misc. shopping is more︁ a concern than maid's salary. On the plus side retail gasoline prices are among the︂ lowest in the world and are a lower than wholesale prices US gas stations pay.︃ It doesn't even out the overall cost of living, but it's something. If you have︄ to be middle class, there are worse places to be middle class than Russia.

Who in this thread said you should make Russia your primary residence anyway? Did @JohnnyDoe say︅ that? I know I didn't say that. If you have to be convinced of the︆ obvious upsides of having a Russian passport it simply isn't for you.

I have been︇ talking with a lawyer in Russia about straight citizenship by investment, but I'm not too︈ optimistic about this guy. His English is only a little better than my Russian and︉ there have been some long gaps with no communication. I'm definitely not sending money before︊ before going there in person, and I don't have the confidence to go through that︋ trouble yet. If I don't update with something positive by the end of February assume︌ it fizzled out or there have been enough gaps in communication for me to give︍ up on him. It was a private referral from someone on a Russian file sharing︎ website and not someone you can find with Yandex or Google using English. If I️ don't post something positive by the end of February assume it's a dead end.
 
Any updates?

PS. Thought to ask notwithstanding your warning about the possibility of the︌ deal fizzling out.
 
On July 7, 2022, the citizenship law of Armenia was amended to provide the possibility‌ of obtaining Armenian citizenship by making a significant contribution to specific areas.

“Citizenship of the‍ Republic of Armenia can be granted, without the need to comply with sub-paragraphs 1, 2,⁠ and 3 of the first paragraph or the second paragraphs of this article, to those⁤ who have provided exceptional services to the Republic of Armenia as well as to persons⁣ with a significant contribution in the areas of the economy, science, education, culture, healthcare, athletics⁢. The description and evaluation criteria of exceptional services, as well as a significant contribution︀ in the areas of the economy, science, education, culture, healthcare, athletics, shall be defined by︁ a decision of the Government of the Republic of Armenia.”

“significant contribution”:

  • A donation of︂ $150,000 to a scientific or educational foundation
  • Investment of $100,000 in an IT company or︃ a venture fund
  • Investment of $150,000 in a company and hold the investment for ten︄ years
  • Purchase of $150,000 worth of government bonds and hold the investment for seven years︅
  • Purchase of $150,000 worth of real estate and hold the investment for ten years
  • Having over twenty years of work experience in a publicly traded IT company
  • Having over ten︆ years of work experience in science and authoring over five scientific articles
  • Being engaged in︇ dissemination and preservation of Armenian culture, heritage, and identity
  • Having a scientific title of docent,︈ professor in the area of healthcare.
According to the law, the applicants who receive citizenship︉ by exception must present themselves before an authorized body of the Armenian government and participate︊ in an oath to collect their Armenian passport.

No residency, language, or constitutional knowledge requirements︋ exist for people who choose the exceptional route to obtain Armenian nationality, making it the︌ quickest and most hassle-free way to become an Armenian citizen.
 
It is still a draft from 2022. Not final publication yet. Significal contribution will be‌ the ones I listed before.
For more info, armenian lawyer
 
When does the bond owner get citizenship? When he purchases government‍ bonds or after seven years of holding the bonds?

Does the Armenian government notify the⁠ passport holder's country of citizenship that the bondholder has now acquired Armenian citizenship?
 
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Unable to properly answer that sorry. You will need an armenian lawyer
 
Panamood said:
It is still a draft from 2022. Not final publication yet.
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So the law doesn't exist.
Panamood said:
Significal contribution will be the ones I listed before.
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How can you say that?
Panamood said:
For more info, armenian lawyer
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Most countries of the world have a similar law in place. They do not define what “significant contribution” is, and certainly $100-150k is not.

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Response time got longer until I stopped hearing‍ back when looking for specifics like the exact statute that would allow for straight citizenship⁠ by investment and seeing that it is still valid. Everything he had in English was⁤ taken off the net. In this case I think he found the hard way that⁣ his English wasn't where it needed to be to facilitate serious questions about it than⁢ it was a scam. My Russian isn't at a level where I can articulate exact︀ and complicated legal concepts in Russian with confidence that I'm conveying my thoughts properly either.︁ Still no luck finding a service lke Fred's Dubai white glove treatment for Russian citizenship.︂ You'd think there has to be one Russian reading this board that would see the︃ obvious business opportunity.
 
Maybe it will be helpful for some ppl))

Decree of the President of the Russian‌ Federation of May 15, 2023 N 350 "On Amendments to the Decree of the President‍ of the Russian Federation of September 30, 2022 N 690 "On admission to the citizenship⁠ of the Russian Federation in a simplified manner of foreign citizens and stateless persons who⁤ have entered into contracts for military services"

Document overview

Foreigners who have entered into a⁣ contract during the SVO (Special Military operation in Ukraine) period will be able to obtain⁢ citizenship in a simplified manner.
The President clarified the conditions for simplified admission to Russian︀ citizenship of foreigners who have entered into contracts for military service.
In particular, foreign citizens︁ who signed contracts for service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation or military︂ formations for a period of one year can now obtain Russian citizenship in a simplified︃ manner. The simplified procedure also applies to members of their families.
An application for obtaining︄ citizenship can be submitted to any territorial body of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of︅ your choice. Together with him, a contract for military service is also presented.
The decree︆ comes into force from the date of its signing.
 
Dear, where did you find this text? In Russia, possession of several︇ citizenships is allowed. Millions of Russians have two, and some even three or more passports.︈ Of course, there are nuances in obtaining Russian citizenship by foreigners. The most important thing︉ is to know the laws and not to believe in fairy tales.
 
You don't have enough difficulties in your business? Is doing business with Russian nationality a‌ kind of new challenge for you? Because personally I do not see a single advantage‍ in having Russian nationality.
 
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