Republic of Abkhazia

[Don]

There you go Sir.
I believe Im entitled to thumbs up for googling this for you︄ (Transnistria):
https://mid.gospmr.org/ru/ymB
In Transnistria, you can enjoy free education, free university, free social care, almost︅ free public transportation and sometimes receive income from the government. The paradox is that most︆ westerners are actually poorer than Transnistrians. In the US and the UK, most people have︇ to take a loan to pay for everything and will only be able to save︈ a part of their income after they are 30, while the Transnistrians have access to︉ pretty much everything for free. There are, of course, trade-offs, and in the end living︊ in the EU or North America is often better, but we cannot deny that statistically︋ the young generation in Transnistria is actually better off than their peers in the West.︌ It is quite ironic since Transnistria is often described as one of the poorest places︍ in Europe.

 

[crassus54]

You are entitled to much more than︄ a thumbs up, I thank you immensely for this link and for your knowledge.

Transnistria is surely an interesting place, I would love to go someday, do you have any︅ recommendations for tourism? I speak Russian reasonably well (Especially in a hospitality context), so I︆ can probably get by with no issue.

Have you been there, and can you disclose︇ if you have a PMR citizenship (If not publicly, then in DMS)?

 

[daniels27]

https://www.youngpioneertours.com/transnistria-living/

 

[crassus54]

The trick is to figure out how to get an Abkhaz passport, which can actually‌ be useful. The downside is that I would not feel comfortable visiting georgia due to‍ the political situation and laws if I did get one.

Does anyone have any clue⁠ about how I could do this? In addition, how does one visit Abkhazia? I thought⁤ that since the SMO georgia closed their border, and it is technically illegal to cross⁣ from Russia (I might do it anyway).

 

[Don]

Check the law:⁢ http://presidentofabkhazia.org/en/vize_president/dejatelnost/zacon.pdf

You can visit Abkhazia through Russia or Georgia.

 

[daniels27]

10 years with only 3 months absence per year. Do you think you can just‌ walk out and then walk back 9 years and 11 months later?

 

[crassus54]

Look at the investment requirement.

 

[daniels27]

How much they need? Are you coming with me?

 

[crassus54]

According to the official website: 20K Rubles so 220 Euros.
The issue is the bureaucratic process‌ to create a company and the gifts required to make everything work.

I still would‍ rather focus on trying for an Abkhazia passport, as I would prefer to stay there⁠ if necessary than Pridnestrovie and like the ability to go to Russia and Nicaragua on⁤ that passport. In addition, it has sea access where I can store boats and equipment⁣ and a land border with Russia.

To be clear, I am trying to get the⁢ benefits of a RU passport without actually legally “having” a passport and having to report︀ it on my taxes.

In addition, it seems to be a more stable political climate,︁ although the Abkhazian government is a little too close to Russia for my comfort. I︂ found some interesting laws in the policy document of Abkhazia that may allow me citizenship︃ under certain circumstances.

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When are you going? I probably︆ will not be available until June to go to Eastern Europe, but I am going︇ to Greece in a few weeks.

 

[Don]

Abkhazia is︇ indeed clearly superior to PMR for the time being.
For PMR what needs to happen︈ is for Russia to start officially recognizing it as an independent territory not part of︉ Moldova. In such environment they might be able to sign a similar visa agreement with︊ Russia like Abkhazia.
With the Ukrainian conflict the future is quite unclear for PMR.

 

[crassus54]

You elucidated my thoughts exactly.
Any ideas on how⁣ to acquire a passport there? I found this blurb from an official document (translated to⁢ english).

Something else︂ to look into would be a south ossetian passport, but I fear it will be︃ incorporated into Alania in a few years. Abkhazia still keeps ties to the outside world.︄
One can actually go visa free to Syria, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Russia, narau and until ten︅ or so years ago, Vanuatu with an Abkhaz passport.

 

[Don]

Have the profession or qualification that is of specific state interest for RA - in other⁢ words be useful and they will give you the passport...

 

[crassus54]

I am trying to find a similar document for south ossetia, but Abkhazia is⁠ much nicer. The idea is to get a Russian passport without the strings attached.

A PMR passport might get me an Abkhaz one: Кабинет Министров Республики Абхазия

 

[daniels27]

Ok, then how about we invest in PMR to get the passport there first? I‌ think if each one of us invests a bit, we can make the company big‍ and impress them a lot. Maybe, even

 

[Don]

can you explain how you can get Abkhaz passport if you have PMR?

yes.. great idea.. maybe⁢ a small co-operative..

do you have any ideas about what could be great activities?

 

[daniels27]

I think one of those:

https://www.osembassy.org/consul/порядок-приема-в-гражданство-республ/
https://www.osembassy.org/consul/constitutional-law/
You can check Article 14⁠ (translated for crassus54)

Is this the one you were︂ looking for

 

[ImKing]

Are you guys serious about all of this ?

 

[daniels27]

Yes, I am. You want to join too? Do you have any connections?

 

[ImKing]

No thank you for now, I'll pass. But if you would be so kind as‌ to come back here to report on how the project went for you, then I‍ might join in another round, or I might jump in myself.

It is very interesting⁠ to read about and follow, and it provides inspiration and food for thought.

 

[daniels27]

Sure, we will report here.