Refusal of 70-90% Income Exclusive in Italy, What Netx?
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Just a remainder: remember to severe all ties correctly with Italy, so:
- remove residency there
- no kids or wifw
- no place on the board of any italian company
But given the money involved I see that you are doing things properly. good luck and good job!
- remove residency there
- no kids or wifw
- no place on the board of any italian company
But given the money involved I see that you are doing things properly. good luck and good job!
Thanks for the response, I am seriously considering cyprus too as an option, but with︅ my meeting with a lawyer in malta today I was very impressed, apparently I can︆ end up paying 0% if I pay myself dividends thru a scottish llp. The structure︇ was simple. Corporate tax can be brought down to 2-3% with patent derived income which︈ I have with generous deductions
thankyou, I am trying my best and also sharing my experience of the process, hope it︌ helps someone who is in a similar boat
Just an update with my meeting with︍ a law firm in malta today, apparently I was offered a 3 tier structure where︎ I pay 2-3% corporate tax with generous deductions and 0% if I pay myself dividends,️ no limits. Yes the structure is not cheap and maintainence is expensive, approx 10k a year, but still my effective rate is very very low. A trading company with a holding company in malta and finally a scottish lp which would pay me dividends which would be tax free in malta.
Another option proposed was, I move my residency to malta with my wife and kids, have a trading company or a holding company which invests abroad or holds interests and I pay flat 5k tax as non dom and there will be no questions asked on how much money I make or have abroad.︀
Another important thing mentioned in the meeting was, how easy it is to hire europeans︁ or non europeans in malta and social security contributions are flat 180 euros a month︂ which is quite low plus availability of unskilled and skilled labour at reasonable wages.
Lastly, I discussed bank accounts and how I have heard people having issues with opening bank︃ accounts, I was told that they can refer me some people whom they work with︄ and I dont have to worry too much because I have substance in malta, like︅ my business, residency, family and all vital interests, which makes me 99% eligible without any︆ hassles, but still they said if nothing works in malta they have contacts in switzerland︇ who can open business and personal accounts and it doesnt change anything.
I am still︈ confused between holland, cyprus and malta but malta is looking very attractive for a lot︉ of reasons and reasonable taxation.
If anyone has any ideas or would like to share︊ their experience with me or share their opinion on things that I mentioned I will︋ be happy to discuss.
thankyou, I am trying my best and also sharing my experience of the process, hope it︌ helps someone who is in a similar boat
Just an update with my meeting with︍ a law firm in malta today, apparently I was offered a 3 tier structure where︎ I pay 2-3% corporate tax with generous deductions and 0% if I pay myself dividends,️ no limits. Yes the structure is not cheap and maintainence is expensive, approx 10k a year, but still my effective rate is very very low. A trading company with a holding company in malta and finally a scottish lp which would pay me dividends which would be tax free in malta.
Another option proposed was, I move my residency to malta with my wife and kids, have a trading company or a holding company which invests abroad or holds interests and I pay flat 5k tax as non dom and there will be no questions asked on how much money I make or have abroad.︀
Another important thing mentioned in the meeting was, how easy it is to hire europeans︁ or non europeans in malta and social security contributions are flat 180 euros a month︂ which is quite low plus availability of unskilled and skilled labour at reasonable wages.
Lastly, I discussed bank accounts and how I have heard people having issues with opening bank︃ accounts, I was told that they can refer me some people whom they work with︄ and I dont have to worry too much because I have substance in malta, like︅ my business, residency, family and all vital interests, which makes me 99% eligible without any︆ hassles, but still they said if nothing works in malta they have contacts in switzerland︇ who can open business and personal accounts and it doesnt change anything.
I am still︈ confused between holland, cyprus and malta but malta is looking very attractive for a lot︉ of reasons and reasonable taxation.
If anyone has any ideas or would like to share︊ their experience with me or share their opinion on things that I mentioned I will︋ be happy to discuss.
Sounds like you are doing a great job and have viable options. If I can, just make sure Malta is a place where you would happily spend most or a︀ significant part of your time. I really had mixed feelings and saw many things I︁ didn't like there. I know we are all different, but still...
I think this is︂ even more important than finding the best possible set-up tax-wise, it's where you and your︃ family will be spending time, make sure you have a look around with the eye︄ of someone who is moving if you know what I mean.
It seems you guys︅ will be able to afford a full life, just choose a place which allows you︆ to enjoy what you like 🙂
I think this is︂ even more important than finding the best possible set-up tax-wise, it's where you and your︃ family will be spending time, make sure you have a look around with the eye︄ of someone who is moving if you know what I mean.
It seems you guys︅ will be able to afford a full life, just choose a place which allows you︆ to enjoy what you like 🙂
Actually you are completely right,︂ malta is very small and I still dont know if I can spend the rest︃ of my life in malta or if I would even enjoy living in malta. But,︄ if I go I will be going with a clear aim of getting my work︅ done and achieving my objective. Not rulling out cyprus yet. As they say "never say︆ NEVER".
I wonder why︃ they didn't tell you about using a resident non-domicile company while paying 5K flat tax︄ as a non dom.
Wait, maybe because they don't earn anything by suggesting that structure?︅ LOL
The most surprising thing is knowing that a SLP will pay dividends, i wonder︆ how would that work since a limited partnership can't distribute dividends but business profits.
Wait, maybe because they don't earn anything by suggesting that structure?︅ LOL
The most surprising thing is knowing that a SLP will pay dividends, i wonder︆ how would that work since a limited partnership can't distribute dividends but business profits.
You are in the typical situation where a successful entrepreneur is trying DIY solutions for a complex problem…
Respectfully get a very good lawyer (and not someone desperate to sell you a company incorporation) to draft a plan and concentrate on growing your business, trying to do it yourself might look cheaper from far away, but 99% of the time it's either non-compliant or not sustainable...
At CALAY Banking™ we only advise on banking & compliance issues but we often collaborate with this guy: TAX LAWYER OF THE YEAR and he’s seriously creative.
Drop me a DM and I’ll arrange for you an appointment with him (they don’t accept new clients if not introduced by another professional).
Respectfully get a very good lawyer (and not someone desperate to sell you a company incorporation) to draft a plan and concentrate on growing your business, trying to do it yourself might look cheaper from far away, but 99% of the time it's either non-compliant or not sustainable...
At CALAY Banking™ we only advise on banking & compliance issues but we often collaborate with this guy: TAX LAWYER OF THE YEAR and he’s seriously creative.
Drop me a DM and I’ll arrange for you an appointment with him (they don’t accept new clients if not introduced by another professional).
Thanks marzio for your input. I have sent him an email about this structure and also some of my other doubts. Maybe he didnt suggest this structure cuz 2 of my other partners are in italy and asia.︀ If the company becomes domicile in those countries then it will be a big problem,︁ I havent read the treaties between malta and those countries but since I am willing︂ to move to malta with my family, hire staff who are actually working and have︃ a strong substance in malta why would I want a non domicile company? I am︄ also getting patent box benefit where I actually get 95% deduction so technically I am︅ paying 5% of 5% as taxes after deductions, I dont want to crib about my︆ lawyer making more money and selling multiple structures etc.
As far as SLP is concerned,︇ isnt it distributing business profits as dividends to me? or am I missing something?
Sometimes its better to keep people happy who work with you in my opinion
Thanks for the offer, what do you do exactly? What is calay banking? is it a swiss bank?
As far as SLP is concerned,︇ isnt it distributing business profits as dividends to me? or am I missing something?
Sometimes its better to keep people happy who work with you in my opinion
Thanks for the offer, what do you do exactly? What is calay banking? is it a swiss bank?
You are mixing together different concepts.
Domicile and residency aren't synonyms.
A company resident non domicile means a company that was incorporated offshore but resident in Malta.
If a company is resident in Malta because is managed from Malta can't be resident anywhere else if the other 2 partners act like silent partners and don't actively manage the company.
Only capital companies can distribute dividends︀
Domicile and residency aren't synonyms.
A company resident non domicile means a company that was incorporated offshore but resident in Malta.
If a company is resident in Malta because is managed from Malta can't be resident anywhere else if the other 2 partners act like silent partners and don't actively manage the company.
Only capital companies can distribute dividends︀
thanks, I will take this up with my lawyer. It would be perfect for us if we can utilise holland or luxemburg in the structure, just so that it gives a great reputation to the company and also patents are more safe in these jurisdictions and have good standing globally.︀
Nope, we’re purely INTRODUCERS.
CALAY Banking™ is NOT a bank, nor does it provides banking services.
Some of the other professionals on this forum will remember it by its previous name, FBS Banking.
CALAY LTD offers international bank/broker introductory services and account opening assistance, corporate administration introduction services.
We spend most of our time ensuring that any use of a bank will be able to last in time.
Too often entrepreneurs are setting up solutions that get quickly blocked and end︀ up with blocked funds and spending a LOT of time dealing with the issue.
We avoid that by either directing you to an institution we believe will serve your needs︁ or to a third-party professional to completely review and correct your setup so you can︂ concentrate on making money, not dealing with compliance…
We also constantly monitor banks so when︃ we feel a bank / EMI is posing a risk we advise our clients to︄ switch. Having been in existence since 1997, we lived through a lot of bank failures,︅ the latest being EPB, a bank we advised urgently leaving already back in August 2021…︆
I agree with Marzio 100%.︊
There is:
-What you think you can do
(Google is your worst enemy, closely followed︋ by lots of unscrupulous paper companies shops that will be very eager to tell you︌ what you want to hear)
-The reality of the complexity of the laws
(as illustrated︍ by Marzio, the real place of establishment of ANY legal entity is NOT defined by︎ it’s place of incorporation but by it’s place of MANAGEMENT)
-and Finally, the ‘real life'️ test of being able to implement it
(even if your setup is 100% legal and compliant, it doesn’t mean that you’ll be able to open/maintain all the accounts needed for the setup to work and for your financial interest to be safeguarded)
Your problem is not very complex, but there are so many traps and pitfalls it can cost you dearly.
They are plenty of very experienced professionals here, best advice is to appoint one to do all the due diligence and pave the way to your financial freedom.
CALAY Banking™ is NOT a bank, nor does it provides banking services.
Some of the other professionals on this forum will remember it by its previous name, FBS Banking.
CALAY LTD offers international bank/broker introductory services and account opening assistance, corporate administration introduction services.
We spend most of our time ensuring that any use of a bank will be able to last in time.
Too often entrepreneurs are setting up solutions that get quickly blocked and end︀ up with blocked funds and spending a LOT of time dealing with the issue.
We avoid that by either directing you to an institution we believe will serve your needs︁ or to a third-party professional to completely review and correct your setup so you can︂ concentrate on making money, not dealing with compliance…
We also constantly monitor banks so when︃ we feel a bank / EMI is posing a risk we advise our clients to︄ switch. Having been in existence since 1997, we lived through a lot of bank failures,︅ the latest being EPB, a bank we advised urgently leaving already back in August 2021…︆
I agree with Marzio 100%.︊
There is:
-What you think you can do
(Google is your worst enemy, closely followed︋ by lots of unscrupulous paper companies shops that will be very eager to tell you︌ what you want to hear)
-The reality of the complexity of the laws
(as illustrated︍ by Marzio, the real place of establishment of ANY legal entity is NOT defined by︎ it’s place of incorporation but by it’s place of MANAGEMENT)
-and Finally, the ‘real life'️ test of being able to implement it
(even if your setup is 100% legal and compliant, it doesn’t mean that you’ll be able to open/maintain all the accounts needed for the setup to work and for your financial interest to be safeguarded)
Your problem is not very complex, but there are so many traps and pitfalls it can cost you dearly.
They are plenty of very experienced professionals here, best advice is to appoint one to do all the due diligence and pave the way to your financial freedom.
Thanks for suggesting non domicile company, you saved me thousands of euros in maintainence cost, i dont know how to thank you for that suggestion, I am really grateful really. I thought I was the smartest, but I am NOT 🙂. If you know a very good law firm who︀ is not greedy then please let me know, seems like I was in wrong company.︁
Thanks for taking the time to write, I am most likely looking to start︃ a non dom company in malta, I want to know if you can offer bank︄ accounts in switzerland and singapore for a maltese non dom company? or which jurisdictions you︅ suggest? How much do you charge? and the timelines?
Just upgraded my account as I︆ didnt wanted to be a freeloader and wanted to support the community and offshore corp︇ as it has been an amazing resource. Thankyou.
I have contacted this law firm (the one in the link), hopefully they give me good️ advise and optimisation on capital gains and income.
Thanks for taking the time to write, I am most likely looking to start︃ a non dom company in malta, I want to know if you can offer bank︄ accounts in switzerland and singapore for a maltese non dom company? or which jurisdictions you︅ suggest? How much do you charge? and the timelines?
Just upgraded my account as I︆ didnt wanted to be a freeloader and wanted to support the community and offshore corp︇ as it has been an amazing resource. Thankyou.
I have contacted this law firm (the one in the link), hopefully they give me good️ advise and optimisation on capital gains and income.
That's the trouble you will face:
A Maltese non-dom company is very unlikely to offer the level of compliance required by a Swiss bank.
As discussed earlier, even with the company registered in Malta, banks will want to know WHO runs it and how?
So if it's you running it from your country of tax residence, the company is technically subject to taxation in that country. No serious bank will onboard you because they can be accused at a later stage to︀ be complicit in tax evasion.
That's why you need a good lawyer to anticipate those︁ details even before incorporating anything anywhere.
For the banks to be able to onboard you︂ without risking their reputation, they'll have to spend time and man-hours building a strong case︃ on your behalf.
They will only do that IF they are financially incentivised to do︄ so.
Giving them a mandate on wealth management is a good way to achieve this,︅ but in Switzerland that will be a minimum of €1M under management.
We'll gladly help︆ you choose the right banking partner, but right now you don't have a bank issue,︇ you have a compliance issue.
I'm afraid they will not take you on as a client︊ directly.
They require a professional introduction (your current lawyer/accountant for example, or professionals like ourselves).︋
I can draft an introduction letter for you, I would need to have a free︌ 30mins zoom meeting with you to get all the information correct so I pass on︍ a neat file to the Lawyers.
You can use the chatbot on our website to︎ get access to our online calendar.
A Maltese non-dom company is very unlikely to offer the level of compliance required by a Swiss bank.
As discussed earlier, even with the company registered in Malta, banks will want to know WHO runs it and how?
So if it's you running it from your country of tax residence, the company is technically subject to taxation in that country. No serious bank will onboard you because they can be accused at a later stage to︀ be complicit in tax evasion.
That's why you need a good lawyer to anticipate those︁ details even before incorporating anything anywhere.
For the banks to be able to onboard you︂ without risking their reputation, they'll have to spend time and man-hours building a strong case︃ on your behalf.
They will only do that IF they are financially incentivised to do︄ so.
Giving them a mandate on wealth management is a good way to achieve this,︅ but in Switzerland that will be a minimum of €1M under management.
We'll gladly help︆ you choose the right banking partner, but right now you don't have a bank issue,︇ you have a compliance issue.
I'm afraid they will not take you on as a client︊ directly.
They require a professional introduction (your current lawyer/accountant for example, or professionals like ourselves).︋
I can draft an introduction letter for you, I would need to have a free︌ 30mins zoom meeting with you to get all the information correct so I pass on︍ a neat file to the Lawyers.
You can use the chatbot on our website to︎ get access to our online calendar.
Sure I will, btw if you are in malta, BEERS on me......
Just an update, i am currently in dubai with my wife and kids and my wife is equally liking dubai with malta, i am in dubai to avoid the winter of italy for a month and then I return, hopefully I dont end up changing my mind on malta.....
Just an update, i am currently in dubai with my wife and kids and my wife is equally liking dubai with malta, i am in dubai to avoid the winter of italy for a month and then I return, hopefully I dont end up changing my mind on malta.....
UPDATE - Going back to italy and planning to spend some time in malta after that, I considered Dubai as an option too but i guess malta fits my situation much better, i will however maintain my residency in dubai if god forbit another coronavirus situation happens in europe. I have a feeling that dubai might introduce personal income taxation starting from 5-10%, either way i pay less income and personal taxation in malta plus it has lower cost of living plus its closer to italy.
Also, dubai introducing 9% corporate taxation has been a big turn off for me. I will be going to︀ malta and looking for houses soon to spend sometime, hopefully i dont get too bored︁ of the island, any suggestions or personal experience of anyone living or have lived in︂ malta would be welcome.
Also, dubai introducing 9% corporate taxation has been a big turn off for me. I will be going to︀ malta and looking for houses soon to spend sometime, hopefully i dont get too bored︁ of the island, any suggestions or personal experience of anyone living or have lived in︂ malta would be welcome.
People were going to leave when they intrioduced vat at 5% and corporate tax at 9% but guess what, the uncertainty and political turmoil in most of the developed and developing world has made dubai the magnet of the rich, no crime, cheap labour, good connectivity and low taxes.
The writing is on the wall, sooner or later there will be personal income tax with generous deductions or maybe starting with territorial taxation, thats how they do it, they will try to︀ milk as much as they can till the end.
Either way, I not considering dubai︁ for my business, I can structure it in such a way that neither my taxes︂ or cost of living is higher than dubai.
The writing is on the wall, sooner or later there will be personal income tax with generous deductions or maybe starting with territorial taxation, thats how they do it, they will try to︀ milk as much as they can till the end.
Either way, I not considering dubai︁ for my business, I can structure it in such a way that neither my taxes︂ or cost of living is higher than dubai.
You have to give me some credit for my intuition about dubai and them introducing personal income tax.
Anyways, just an update I am not moving to malta as its too small for me. Cyprus holding company is still in consideration. I am considering spain now with the beckham law to save on capital gains tax on the sale of my company / patents. Any experience or knowledge idea about the beckham law would be helpful. Again, my company and holdings will︀ all be outside of spain.
Again I know and understand its foolish and stupid to︁ move to spain to save on taxes but I think the beckham law is fantastic︂ tool to be a resident of spain but still not a resident and enjoy amazing︃ weather and lifestyle. I am considering living in marbella or malaga. I can consider gibraltee︄ holding company or cyprus holding company with beckham law. I would be glad to hear︅ ideas and opinions.
Anyways, just an update I am not moving to malta as its too small for me. Cyprus holding company is still in consideration. I am considering spain now with the beckham law to save on capital gains tax on the sale of my company / patents. Any experience or knowledge idea about the beckham law would be helpful. Again, my company and holdings will︀ all be outside of spain.
Again I know and understand its foolish and stupid to︁ move to spain to save on taxes but I think the beckham law is fantastic︂ tool to be a resident of spain but still not a resident and enjoy amazing︃ weather and lifestyle. I am considering living in marbella or malaga. I can consider gibraltee︄ holding company or cyprus holding company with beckham law. I would be glad to hear︅ ideas and opinions.
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