Pavel Durov Arrested France

[Wellington]

Nearly all cases have money laundering bolted on these days as it⁢ is the easiest avenue to steal s**t whilst also increasing the prison time to push︀ the defendant for a plea

Money laundering has become such a broad brush and almost︁ bad a word as conspiracist etc I e it’s meaning has been watered down

 

[uranium]

I would negotiate a deal and that's what he did.⁠ Because he is trapped in Jail..
Anyone would do same. You can't blame him. He⁤ is billionaire. He can simply shutdown telegram and enjoy life with his billions. I still⁣ don't understand why he is still accepting the deal and obey. I would look at⁢ the judge in the face and say: Oh Mr judge you want access to people︀ data ? Ok here I delete everything, I shutdown telegram and I quit and I'm︁ going to enjoy my billions. End.

 

[GPT]

A couple of years ago I spoke with a lawyer about the why regarding⁣ some accusations.

Money laundering, member of a criminal organisation, terrorism are often mentioned early on.⁢ The explanation was that it allows the police and justice department more time to come︀ up with the exact accusations. Especially in the initial limited time frame they prefer to︁ have it as wide and encompassing as possible as to not miss anything. Its rather︂ complicated to later on add something where its easy to drop something. Especially given the︃ thought process of creating negotiation room from the prosecutors side.

Some rumours state that his brother is the mastermind and Pavel only being the︋ "face" of the company.

 

[marioIT]

I hate to be that conspiracy guy... but it's‍ real on many fields. You just have to scratch deep enough to see it...
I've seen high rank people (justices, police etc) doing stupid things and risking all their career,⁠ ultimately to save some very specific people, not the random guy.
And I've known some⁤ of these high rank officers very well to never believe they could do such stupid⁣ rookie mistakes while doing their jobs.
Truth is they did those mistakes on purpose (that⁢ led to invalidating a trial, thus freeing the guy etc), cause the game is rigged...︀
The game is rigged and if you want to survive you must adhere to it.︁ Either that or death or get cancelled.
If you play with governments... either join "the︂ force", by joining them or by leaving the field*, or fight it. There is no︃ middle ground, there are no jokes, it's either in or out, and I can assure︄ you that with absolute certainty.
*Usually leaving the field is not an allowable option anymore︅ once you reach that level...

 

[dany]

They had to improve so he can‌ get our of prison. Normal isn't it ?

very very true and apply foe all government offices.

 

[Wellington]

Telegram isn't encrypted anyway, its a lot of hassle having a encrypted conversation, far better‌ to use something else.

Not really seeing any difference except he's now been plied to‍ Western interests which gives the West access to Russian coms on the battlefield (past and⁠ present) which gives them evidence for going deeper into the war or evidence for crimes.⁤

Again if you want privacy you use something supplied by a enemy state, i.e WeChat⁣ (CN version) or Wikr etc

Obviously delete all mentions of Icloud, Siri (equivalent) of device,⁢ all FB, Whatsapp, Instagram etc.

 

[GPT]

I wasn’t aware of the WeChat (CN). Interesting enough to have a look at.

 

[Wellington]

Another one is Line which uses encryption for parts of conversations

Unsure of any Europeans‌ ones as I’m based in Asia and these by default are the used applications which‍ surprised me they had encryption by default (line) whereas WeChat is open to the CCP⁠ but not open to the Western surveillance apparatus.

UK law means everything has to have⁤ a back door under snoopers charter

US law you just need to look for association⁣ of the company to INQTEL then it’s a given it’s under US surveillance.

For EU⁢ I think they are now watering down privacy laws but also unaware of encrypted messenger︀ services there

 

[GPT]

Threema seems to do reasonably well.
Element/ matrix︁ isn’t that bad.

All the usual suspects are crap where for day to day with︂ friends and family signal isn’t the worst.

 

[jafo]

Normal for who?

If you accept‌ this, next time, the get-out-of-jail condition might be for the defendant to start taking hormones‍ and transition into a "woman." 🙄

People, this isn't a divine being asking you to do⁠ something...these are WEAK, dastardly men in large numbers ganging up on us on their territory⁤ and demanding something NONE of them would have the balls or chutzpah to ask face-to-face⁣ on a remote island or jungle. stupi#21 stupi#21 stupi#21

I'm so disappointed! BUT relieved.... we all know who⁢ will snitch now! 😳

Also, Pavel got precisely what he deserved! He is EXACTLY like them!︀ Birds of a feather flock together! 😎

Go down this rabbit hole!︂ It will pay off with at least a low 9-digits! 😉

 

[mraleph]

There is a moderator here at OCT stating that security is not a binary.

People are seeking unicorns. Safety and comfort are inversely related.

Why are you proposing Wickr

and then elaborate it's under US‍ control

as its⁤ owner is CIA investment company. WeChat is transparent to hostile parties.

Threema is less then not secure as the⁢ communication content exchanged between its end users was used in a criminal trial related to︀ murder of Slovakian journalist Jan Kuciak. Beside that, their platform exist on a two docker︁ containers on a single physical machine in the same data center in Switzerland 🙄 - they︂ claim HA set-up in two DCs in Zurich area, but...

The Matrix is now officialy and widely used by French︄ government, even though its development is done by UK entitiy.

We all prefer Mentor Group︅ Gold, no? Like at OCT, never eat free lunch and use anything publicly available.

At bottom line, you may use any application that's published at Google, Apple, Samsung, Huawei and︆ other app stores - they are all transparent when it comes to surveilance - for︇ exchanging information up to but excluding confidential.

 

[GPT]

Learning something new here. I wasnt aware⁣ of that. Will read up on it.

If you run it with a server you control︁ yourself, the story is not one of "for free".

 

[Houdini]

Man you really know about security, I'm impressed of most of your posts thu&¤#

 

[mraleph]

In principle, I agree with you as‍ any solution developed, deployed, controlled and used by you is inherently more secure then public⁠ and private ones. With a cavet - you need to have an extensive knowledge and⁤ anticipatory strategy - where I assume that you're capable.

Considering that a privacy moment is⁣ a crucial in VPN design, we wanted to offer on a quid-pro-quo basis, a 1-10G⁢ VPN - with a blendend network (LINX, DE-CIX and AMS-IX with regional IX access as︀ well with private peering to Arelion, GTT, L3, HE and couple of 2nd tier ones)︁ to OCT MGG members where they would have to set-it up in our web panel︂ (virtualy all known protocols as well as our internaly developed) and control by themselves and︃ test it for our side (not free, not paid, mutual benefit, sort-of-a beta testing). Hence,︄ as an instance set-up is performed via panel or CLI there wouldn't be logging apart︅ from the end-users themselves fin4774" But, due to certain reasons - religious wars at OCT 🙄 , we decided not to offer.

This is a public part of a forum, so I'll︆ be discrete.

Five years ago, we started experimenting with different server backend solutions - such︇ as Matrix and Wire - for our platform but concluded a year ago that they︈ aren't secure by design. So, we are using our internaly developed backend solutions for communication︉ platform.

Telegram ecosystem is not limited to private chats but have public discussions that are︊ regulated by notorious DSA. Mr Durov, as a Telegram CEO, could have organized a DSA︋ compliance and content moderation department and avoid colision course. A simple application UX change could︌ have mitigated the risks. He will be punished which will have other legal implications, despite︍ current Telegram DSA compliance.

Contrary to Telegram case, DSA does not regulate other messengers if︎ they don't have public content. Temporary derogation from the ePrivacy directive - Chat control -️ may have had regulated the private chats content scanning - failed due to public pressure.‌

What is an unknown is why Mr Durov was not compliant whilst there was an‍ easy and available mitigation atrategy.

 

[jesuschrist]

https://www.cyph.com/

 

[Clank]

If the device you run the app is not safe it doesn’t matter how good‌ the encryption is.

 

[TRGali]

Graphene OS is most likely the most secure phone OS available to the general public.‌ I would be curious to have mraleph's opinion (or the other experts) about it if‍ he wishes to share it. Telegram though, needs to use google's push notifications (nothing to⁠ do with graphene OS) if you wish to have notifications, but the content of the⁤ notifications can be masked to google by Telegram.

It's missing a decoy boot like vera⁣ crypt, I hope they will develop this at some point.

 

[jafo]

It's much worse than this! They do NOT need ANY physical evidence! They need a‌ witness. That's ALL!

PS. I promised I'd do a Mentor Gold post about this. Too‍ busy now as this requires my utmost focus.

 

[cusano]

Telegram FOSS doesn't need google's push notifications. Registration with the FOSS client doesn't work. Do⁠ the registration with another device or emulator. After migrate your account to the device with⁤ the FOSS client.

 

[mraleph]

Thread is about Telegram's future and cirmustances about Mr Durov's arrest. Telegram is under Western‌ auspicies and Mr Durov will pay the price for lack of anticipation, planning and impulse‍ control and abundance of wishful thinking and Idée de grandeur.

Another religious matter 🙄 Which application⁠ is more secure, Telegram, Cyph, Line, WeChat, Wickr - Cloud notifications - FOSS vs GooglePlay⁤ - VPN logging...

I'll quote certain person again - because here at OCT I read⁣ it from that person's posts - as it's universal fact - security is not a⁢ binary... As @Clank posted above

Yes, end︁ user shouldn't use any cloud connectivity for push notifications.

This forum is a regulated one︂ under DSA, like a Telegram is. Also, beside that and a lack of willingness to︃ participate in religious wars, both me and my companies can't and won't publicly comment any︄ assumed competitor as that may have legal implications - anybody should perform its own due︅ diligence related to secure communication to the best of their abilities or mandate it to︆ third party.

Remember that serious development is not FOSS, never was and never will be.︇

As @jafo would say, there are no mutes in prison. This is the conclusion that︈ Mr Durov and his surroudings should have anticipated