It finally happened, BITCOIN broke past $100K!

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who says so? I am supposed to use it as I like. 😉

Thats what︄ deflationary currencies are.

Todays bitcoin poverty is tomorrows bitcoin enough, todays bitcoin enough is tomorrows︅ bitcoin rich.
whereas
todays fiat rich is tomorrows fiat enough, todays fiat enough is tomorrows︆ fiat poverty.

well these are just opinions from wrong.com. Its used for payments as are usd bills used︉ in shithole countries.
nah. wrong.com again. It has or hasnt been taxed for very long time already (depending on︍ ones circumstances).
It looks to you like that because you're very new to the party.︎
 
I respect your views very much, as I have had the same outlook in the past.︂

But let me explain my mindset a little. I have been mining BTC in 2011︃ on my old laptop, buying and trading on MTGox ( I even had a meeting︄ with Karpeles at the Mt.Gox office in Shibuya (who was a fatty wearing a black︅ Metallica t-shirt then). Only reason why I haven't join them was that 'officially' the staff︆ wasn't allowed to trade, even in private.

Later on, I got rugged by MTGox (like︇ so many) for >1000 BTC, and then I had enough and I left the market︈ for a while. All I have left from that time is a Yubikey with the︉ MTGox logo on it in my drawer. And for some J@*#(&%Y@ reason, I missed the︊ deadline to file my claim with the trustee (really, really stupid reason: my email changed︋ and so I missed the deadline by a week, as I read about it on︌ the net too late).

I reentered the market later on @ $200-$600, and have been︍ just a hodler, accumulating and hodling strong. On the side, I was working on the︎ technical side with some of the bigger blockchains (they are still going strong today, but️ I won't DOXX myself by mentioning which).

Coming to my point, during the years I‌ saw my wealth dropping 80% during the bear markets, as I didn't sell, following the‍ same ideology you mentioned above. I still can remember how it feels, and I still⁠ can see myself going to some wage cuck job and checking the price on my⁤ phone in the morning on the way to work, seeing my wealth evaporate.

What I⁣ learned from it?
NEVER AGAIN.

What it did to me?
It killed my emotions in⁢ trading.

I don't care anymore if it goes up or down, I just want to︀ make a profit from each move.

I feel nothing losing 100K in 3h anymore. After︁ experiencing it so many times, it killed the emotions inside me and made me just︂ rational instead of emotions or 'wants' taking over, learn risk management, and trade both sides.︃

Cycles are a fact, and taking profits is healthy. No one ever lost money taking︄ profit.
One can always re-enter the market.

Mathematically, BTC is getting more scarce every day,︅ as less and less of it get mined, while the world population increases, and people︆ - as well as financial institutions - are purchasing more of it.

But let me︇ tell you something, that very financial institutions are not hodlers, but make money trading, using︈ options, futures, and everything they can get hold of, to make profits buying and selling.︉ And they can see that the market believes in halving cycles, you can bet that︊ they gonna short it hard when the time is ripe.

Should I hodl it, while︋ the banksters make billions with their shorts, and lose 60-80% again, having to wait for︌ years for it to get back up? That would be the definition of insanity, doing︍ the same thing over and over again.

Shorting BTC with 10% of wealth? That's risk︎ management, if my timing is wrong and I lose that, I am still good.
At least I get something to do, while waiting for a re-entry about 1-2 years later.️

Reentering BTC lower? Hell yeah, sure thing.

But that's just me, everyone does his own‌ thing.
 
I think this is where you've become emotionless. As⁣ today's price you would worth 9 figures.
 
Yep yep... I'm with you 100%. I've been︊ in since 2017 and have seen a couple long and drawn out bear markets. And︋ while I was making some great returns from trading, that came to an end around︌ Nov 2021 when the high volatility ceased. So I get it and based on your︍ response, I hit me that I should've been clearer in my previous reply, meaning don't︎ bet the house and the kitchen sink - just the kitchen sink. So when I️ speak of holding long term and buying more, its with a smaller amount of capital‌ that you won't miss. And it's particularly better to beef up those buys 6 months‍ before the halving. So I'm with you on that.

And you make a great point⁠ about the institutions not only being aware of the cycles, but understanding that many more⁤ crypto enthusiasts are aware of it as well. So to that point, it's quite possible⁣ for the peak to hit in early 2025 as institutions being selling off (especially if⁢ it's a coordinated effort). However I'm 50/50 on this because that's a long 6-month stint︀ that institutions can leverage, allowing much more capital to come in over that period of︁ time. I can see them dumping a month or two before the historic peaks, but︂ can't that I'm convinced that they'll dump 6 months ahead of historic ATH times (too︃ much $$$ to be made).

But your argument about the timing of being a couple︄ months out gets another thumbs up b/c this cycle is unlike previous cycles, particularly with︅ the approval of Bitcoin ETFs and the price pump that followed. I was like, it's︆ too early for this to be happening now! lol But it happened and the price︇ still started to pump after the election (right on schedule). But on the flip side,︈ Trump being in office is great news for both crypto and the economy. As people︉ earn more, they'll invest more. And if the US starts buying BTC to put in︊ reserves, many others nations that aren't already doing so will follow. This could cause great︋ scarcity for Bitcoin and it's possible that we'll never see an 80% drop again. Then︌ the saying "Never short Bitcoin" will begin to resonate in our minds to a greater︍ degree. But even with this, I'm still 50/50. I'm not even betting the house now︎ although I probably should. lol

So I think we're farily close to agreeing on things️ here... The main difference in our opinions is timing and I learned from the previous‌ cycle that timing has been one of the most consistent metrics from all previous cycles.‍ The price increase earlier this year does through things off a bit, but that could⁠ be chopped up as a buy the rumor, sell the news event. Either way it⁤ goes, it's gonna be interesting to see how things play out.

Appreciate the reply... Like⁣ I say, such conversations do stimulate thought and helps me to consider things that I⁢ may have otherwise never considered.
 
the etf can change this as they make increasingly money with rising︆ AUM. Should flows be passive, its even more likely structure can change similar to when︇ the gold etf got introduced.
 
Definitely a possibility and great food for thought...⁠ But they can dump as well, taking massive profits from management fees and passing on⁤ the losses to investors. Beats me why anyone would invest in ETFs when they can⁣ just as easily acquire the real asset themselves, but everyone has their own investment preference.⁢ Will leave this reply short and sweet since the admin has already threatened to ban︀ me.
 
shows the real potential of BTC to me, it's valuable to hold them even they strike⁠ back sometimes and it looks like all is lost.
 
thanks for the very nice share my friend I was looking for some detailed information about︀ the crypto market and why it is as it is.
 
It's quite amusing to read that just one month ago, all these so-called experts predicted‌ Bitcoin would hit $150K by the end of the year, and now things are going‍ in the complete opposite direction.
 
What's even more amusing is⁠ people thinking that Bitcoin sitting At $100,000, just 48 hours after breaking its all time⁤ high, is an indicator of it 'going in the complete opposite direction' when one year⁣ ago it sat at 43K lmao
 
Does one swallow make a⁠ summer, does one day drop make a weekly candle?
We are still doing higher highs⁤ and higher lows. Nothing has changed yet.

PS: Looks like the experts weren't wrong much,⁣ one month ago it was at 69K, and now already at 100K, that's >50% higher⁢ and there are 11 days left. Personally, I give it time till around mid Jan-end︀ February, depending on the next few weeks.
 
BTC dumping just before the end of the year is quite bullish‍ for 2025. I was hoping we would get a bigger flush actually.
We usually get⁠ 3 positive return years and 1 red year. It has been like this since the⁤ very beginning.
'22 was red, 2023 24 and 25... 😀
 
I can't tell the future, nor the behavior of the market participants,‍ but I wouldn't be surprised getting an ATH (130K-250K) sometime after the Old New Year⁠ (Jan 14) and long before the Thai New Year (April 13th).

If we stay around⁤ 100K until January, we might continue the traditional cycle instead of the accelerated one, meaning⁣ bullmarket until late October 2025.
 
Like I said, mining in the way you spoke⁢ about your activities, is just a way to make a bit of free money on︀ the side. The primary purpose of BTC is still to be a currency. Your post︁ here addresses an argument that wasn't made -- leaving the problems still unrefuted:

The government︂ now controls the sheeple's BTC...

It dictates how much can can be confiscated from you...︃

They dictate who you can send it to...

and if you are allowed to even︄ keep it.

Basically, BTC is a glorified IRA account now, complete with regulations placed upon︅ you. All because people misused a decentralised currency for a get rich quick scheme.

BTC could go to $1 Million but you are still at the mercy of all the︆ above, and you don't have financial freedom.
 
Still pushing Monero? I doubt that it will become︃ popular. Not anytime soon anyway. It's too complicated to convert to/from cash.
 
I didn't mention it.‍ There is no point shilling a coin on an internet forum because it won't change⁠ the world's financial paradigm. My posts are a discussion, I am alas not Elon Musk⁤ or Andrew Tate with any influence. And if it hasn't been made clear already, I'm⁣ against pumping cryptos for profit.

But given people on this forum like privacy, financial freedom⁢ and anonymity, my point is BTC is definitely not the one. Any (unrealized) profits people︀ have in BTC so far, is not giving you financial freedom. And $100k may go︁ to zero one day. For financial freedom, use Gold/silver for savings, Monero/cash for spending. There︂ are other private cryptos like Zano and Zcash, but as it stands, XMR is leading.︃ XMR also has the benefit of having a culture of a circular economy - a︄ culture BTC doen't have. There are white-hat marketplaces that deal exclusively in XMR because they︅ want to be private and not be regulated by the government. You can buy cheese︆ and furniture and the whole culture is that of decentralised currency - BTC's initial purpose.︇

You're not supposed to convert cryptos to/from cash. But you can obtain it easily enough︈ on Haveno. Remember that BTC used to be hard to obtain/convert when it was new.︉ This is a community infrastructure issue, not related to the coin.
 
So true, many of us who bought BTC p2p using cash are‍ now facing some serious issues trying to cash out since we pretty much don't have⁠ any real Source of Fund docs.
if you used BTC the way it was intended⁤ to, its just as hard to convert it to cash as Monero.
 
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