French millionaire denied Swiss citizenship over speeding offence

[backpacker]

The number of @GPT is correct.
Many people in this forum live in a parallel world when it comes‍ to real life expenses and spending habits of the average population.
Also take into account⁠ that many Swiss households are highly indebted (certainly more than in Germany).
Btw., if one⁤ lives like the average Swiss, expenses are only marginally higher than in neighbouring countries. Biggest⁣ draw is usually rent. Other costs are negligible from a point-of-difference.

 

[RealDude]

My apartment rent (3 bedroom, two floors, garden and balcony,⁢ underfloor heating, underground parking) within walking distance to the city center of a german metropolis︀ is 600€ per month including heating.

 

[backpacker]

I am getting jealous.
And that's also what I⁠ meant with "Biggest draw is usually rent". Problem is that in major cities (and⁤ its agglomeration) rich foreigners are pushing up rent prices.

 

[JackAlabama]

And yet, everyone and his millionaire dog⁠ tries to get a Swiss private bank account lolz 😉

 

[JohnnyDoe]

backpacker said:
The number of @GPT is correct.
Many people in this forum live in a parallel world when it comes to real life expenses and spending habits of the average population.
Also take into account that many Swiss households are highly indebted (certainly more than in Germany).
Btw., if one lives like the average Swiss, expenses are only marginally higher than in neighbouring countries. Biggest draw is usually rent. Other costs are negligible from a point-of-difference.
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The basic assumption is that the average person doesn't participate in this forum (save for our friends from tax police).

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[GPT]

3 bedroom (around 90 sqm) in Swiss German speaking⁠ rural area will set you back around 2000 chf. In the cities you pay (depending⁤ on location in the city) a minimum of 4000 for a 3 bedroom. I’ve also⁣ seen them going for 8000.

Health insurance is the other high cost which is age⁢ dependent and is for a 40 year old approx 375 a month. Food expenses (groceries,︀ not eating out) boils down to about 3-400 per person per month.

It’s mostly the︁ foreigners in Switzerland earning the above 100k annual salaries. At the same time they mostly︂ rent as they are posted here for 3-5 years. Most property owners are Swiss despite︃ earning mostly in the lower salary ranges. Either institutional or property which is already in︄ the family since forever.

That doesn’t mean that it changes the numbers. They remain the same regardless of the avarage︆ person here in this forum.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

GPT said:
That doesn't mean that it changes the numbers. They remain the same regardless of the avarage person here in this forum.
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probably the “average Swiss” living in Geneva doesn't employ a cleaning lady.
Anyway, if someone is so poor inside to think about suicide, this is the best choice for him and the society.

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[RealDude]

In 2018 I had the opportunity to take an IT job for 150k CHF p.a.‌ in Zurich. Compared to my German situation as an employee and the rent I mentioned,‍ the Swiss cost of living didn’t exactly make it attractive at the time.

PS: At⁠ that time the exchange rate to the euro was not 1:1.

 

[GPT]

Did you compare like for like? Id say with 150k you would be better⁣ of in CH due to a way lower tax bracket. Especially when living outside of⁢ Zurich itself.

Very likely even. During COVID︂ lockdowns the queues for people to receive help from church and other organizations for food︃ were the longest in Geneva.

 

[RealDude]

Of course. If it were a 100% remote job⁠ nowadays, I would reconsider and settle in a Swiss village on the German border with⁤ supermarkets & Co. on the other side. Moreover, I would immediately change every CHF penny⁣ into euros.

 

[Praetorian]

And feds in general lol‍

 

[GPT]

For taxes you would then be considered a Grenzgänger. Tax wise no benefits. I⁤ dare say you would be worse of.

 

[RealDude]

Cross-border commuter if I‍ live in Switzerland?

 

[GPT]

Yes. If you‌ work for a German company and live in Switzerland and live at / close to‍ the border then you will be a Grenzgänger.

 

[backpacker]

No, considering the scenariro‍ @RealDude mentioned, he will be a resident of Switzerland. In the first five years he⁠ will get "autorisation de séjour B". Therafter, since he is a German citizen (Schengen⁤ applicable country), he can apply for "autorisation de séjour C".
With B his tax⁣ benefits are rather limited since he will be taxed at source (if employee). With C⁢ he will be taxed like a Swiss citizen. Tax rates are different and with B︀ possible tax deductions are minimal.
However, wealth taxation applies to both categories.

He says︂ he works remotely. Maybe I missed something here but did he mention that it is︃ a German company?
I was under the impression that he works as an employee for︄ a local company, albeit remotely.

 

[GPT]

How i understood it was that he worked for a German company. And then he‌ is a Grenzgänger. If it’s a Swiss company he gets a B permit indeed and‍ can apply for C. It’s, since one or two years, not automatically a move from⁠ B to C anymore. You need a compelling argument nowadays. I’ve seen many people being⁤ denied the C permit. Also the law did change. Tax is not a reason for⁣ C anymore.

 

[Alonzo]

https://www.bluewin.ch/en/news/swit...se-on-a1-over-100000-francs-fine-2352560.html
Near Kölliken AG, he followed the vehicle in front on the overtaking lane over‌ a distance of 2,400 meters at a speed of 110 to 120 km/h with an‍ insufficient distance of eight to twelve meters

That's crazy... Tailgating is a serious crime there⁠

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Alonzo said:
https://www.bluewin.ch/en/news/swit...se-on-a1-over-100000-francs-fine-2352560.html
Near Kölliken AG, he followed the vehicle in front on the overtaking lane over a distance of 2,400 meters at a speed of 110 to 120 km/h with an insufficient distance of eight to twelve meters

That's crazy... Tailgating is a serious crime there
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That's the average speed of an ”˜80s fiat panda in any Italian country road

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[Lamb75]

Do they still come to see what candidates to Swiss nationality eat for breakfast ?‌ They still did that 30 years ago but I don’t know what one is supposed‍ to eat in the morning before becoming Swiss. Fondue ? Also this guy denied for⁠ speeding ticket did the usual mistake many migrants did in France until 1974 (end of⁤ immigration for work, explosion of requests to become French) : he waited 40 years instead⁣ of asking for Swiss nationality as soon as he could do it. I have a⁢ friend who also waited until he had to (so that his wife can become Swiss).︀ Until then he had excuses like he would be humiliated if refused because he eats︁ the wrong food at breakfast, or he would have to pay a fee (it was︂ free at the time he finally applied).

 

[marioIT]

just for‍ comparison with nearby countries...
I was on holidays in Italy and I was overtaken by⁠ a kid in a golf gti with a noisy exhaust... inside a dark tunnel... on⁤ a double white line... his lights were off too... dead:-!
tailgating there happened multiple times a minute, and I was always well over speed limits rof/%
the insufficient distance in Italy⁣ at those speed must be under 5cm rof/%

But yeah, I hate to drive in Switzerland.⁢ You need a limousine and a chauffeur, relax and enjoy the view...

no but IIRC a friend got asked the name of a random animal︀ at a local zoo or something like that stupi#21