I thought there are high risk merchant processors out there. Apparently not. All want USA only.
Help me pls
Help me pls
Card processor for Singapore business / Marketing services
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They use 2checkout, Sttipe, PayPal very often.
For Stripe I already saw the hiding method with a masking site between.
For Stripe I already saw the hiding method with a masking site between.
Hello yes, its for me currently around 7% + rolling reserve.
Payouts worked.
Pls help me, I need more ways to accept card payments. 🙁
We never get chargebacks...there must be a way for me 🙁
Payouts worked.
Pls help me, I need more ways to accept card payments. 🙁
We never get chargebacks...there must be a way for me 🙁
I live in Singapore and have a business here.
How to get a USA business? I dont want to pay 30% taxeso smth like that.
How to get a USA business? I dont want to pay 30% taxeso smth like that.
The problem here is, they are selling services that break TOS which the big companies target, send cease and desist letters to and in some high profile cases take to court. No payment provider accepts selling social media likes / followers / comments.
Setting up in the US, which has legal precedent that breaking TOS *IS* a crime under teh CFAA (hacking laws) that as you are logging into accounts without authorisation, it is unauthorised server access, aka server hacking. I would advise to avoid any US︀ structure.
The fact that you sell logos is irrelevant that isn't your business and everyone︁ knows it.
But you have the solution, as you research shows, your competitors use fake︂ sites / inbetweens and will just crank through the processor accounts as they get banned.︃ No good for subscriptions, but if your payments are one-offs it will be ok.
Setting up in the US, which has legal precedent that breaking TOS *IS* a crime under teh CFAA (hacking laws) that as you are logging into accounts without authorisation, it is unauthorised server access, aka server hacking. I would advise to avoid any US︀ structure.
The fact that you sell logos is irrelevant that isn't your business and everyone︁ knows it.
But you have the solution, as you research shows, your competitors use fake︂ sites / inbetweens and will just crank through the processor accounts as they get banned.︃ No good for subscriptions, but if your payments are one-offs it will be ok.
Yes, while in fact we dont hack accounts. We are just resellers.
We had Paypal over YEARS without issues. PayPal dont manually check websites right? Maybe I am blacklisted there now. I maybe need toi find a way to hide real product names in paypal checkout.
Stripe suspends me after 1 week. Sure I could register again and again but its pure stress.
Yes selling logo and bloig writing was just a trick to sound more profesional and legit.
Well of course I could do masking stuff + contuinue using russian card processors + paypal (from time to time)
Though I see MANY MANY MANY︀ companies in the USA and EU who offer Stripe, 2checkout etc for years.
We had Paypal over YEARS without issues. PayPal dont manually check websites right? Maybe I am blacklisted there now. I maybe need toi find a way to hide real product names in paypal checkout.
Stripe suspends me after 1 week. Sure I could register again and again but its pure stress.
Yes selling logo and bloig writing was just a trick to sound more profesional and legit.
Well of course I could do masking stuff + contuinue using russian card processors + paypal (from time to time)
Though I see MANY MANY MANY︀ companies in the USA and EU who offer Stripe, 2checkout etc for years.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, wasn't insinuating you were, just that the US deems logging into a fake account you control via automations and liking a post *is* deemed as hacking (although by all definitions of the word it isn't, but it seems facebook get to decide that law here and they have big pockets...)
Stripe does not allow selling of social media services. If other places are, they are either churning through the accounts, hiding it someway, or just under︀ the radar.
I am not aware of any payment provider that will work with you︁ knowingly unless as you say you look for Russian / Chinese providers who will not︂ have a high success rate for US cards.
Yes it will be a stress and︃ a hassle, but use an intermediary site and send your sale through there. Then you︄ should be able to sign up with western processors of which there are many and︅ if they last a month, then maybe that is ok? Always have at least 3-4︆ other processors you can slip in as soon as the old one dies.
I don't︇ see any other way around that. Unless you go the bitcoin route
Stripe does not allow selling of social media services. If other places are, they are either churning through the accounts, hiding it someway, or just under︀ the radar.
I am not aware of any payment provider that will work with you︁ knowingly unless as you say you look for Russian / Chinese providers who will not︂ have a high success rate for US cards.
Yes it will be a stress and︃ a hassle, but use an intermediary site and send your sale through there. Then you︄ should be able to sign up with western processors of which there are many and︅ if they last a month, then maybe that is ok? Always have at least 3-4︆ other processors you can slip in as soon as the old one dies.
I don't︇ see any other way around that. Unless you go the bitcoin route
Even this we dont do.
Stripe doesnt allow it officially though I see hundreds or thousands of companis (mainly from the USA) directly offering it without masking. I am analyzing the checkouts of other competitor sites and sometimes I see a dummy/masking site in between, mostly not. Mostly its directly connected.
I dont use a intermediary site at the moment, I think...wouldnt this be illegal?
So I make a site (maybe hosting services with real packages to buy), register on western processors and then what....just using their api to directly connect to my SMM site? Stripe find this out. Or better: My site checkout ->︀ masking site checkout -> payment processor...and back.
Stripe doesnt allow it officially though I see hundreds or thousands of companis (mainly from the USA) directly offering it without masking. I am analyzing the checkouts of other competitor sites and sometimes I see a dummy/masking site in between, mostly not. Mostly its directly connected.
I dont use a intermediary site at the moment, I think...wouldnt this be illegal?
So I make a site (maybe hosting services with real packages to buy), register on western processors and then what....just using their api to directly connect to my SMM site? Stripe find this out. Or better: My site checkout ->︀ masking site checkout -> payment processor...and back.
Then they are under the radar. Once they get some chargebacks and the site reviewed, they will be gone. Or competitors report them.
illegal? I don't think so. Grey area? probably most︀ definitely.
Maybe not webhosting, but something that is well within︄ the TOS of the processors something simple and normal and safe. There are various ways︅ to do it, but the most simple.
site_a.purchase.html click purchase and get sent to checkout︆ on allowed_site_b.checkout.html with the item selected.
Set the notification URL of purchase to site_b and︇ handle it from there.
that's it at it;s most simple. URLs will change, which can︈ be handled by just routing the site_a through site_b but that is more complex
illegal? I don't think so. Grey area? probably most︀ definitely.
Maybe not webhosting, but something that is well within︄ the TOS of the processors something simple and normal and safe. There are various ways︅ to do it, but the most simple.
site_a.purchase.html click purchase and get sent to checkout︆ on allowed_site_b.checkout.html with the item selected.
Set the notification URL of purchase to site_b and︇ handle it from there.
that's it at it;s most simple. URLs will change, which can︈ be handled by just routing the site_a through site_b but that is more complex
Yes they are under the radar, especially when they have years old accounts. A few years ago I remember you got easily approved with this business on 2co....
I am that desperate, I would even pay someone who works for such a processor or share account with another merchant and pay them a monthly fixed ''income''to approve/work with me for a lifetime.
Yes I will think about this masking method. 🙂
Another thing that might working, just an idea:
1. Using xyz.com/shop for applying and in this shop it only shows legit services. Waiting to get fully approved (not kind of pre-approved like on Stripe). Hoping︀ they dont check the xyz.com
2. Using xyz.com for social media services only website
I think once an account is fully approved, nobody will check it manually. Only if you︁ can many chargebacks or you get reported.
What do you say to this?
I am that desperate, I would even pay someone who works for such a processor or share account with another merchant and pay them a monthly fixed ''income''to approve/work with me for a lifetime.
Yes I will think about this masking method. 🙂
Another thing that might working, just an idea:
1. Using xyz.com/shop for applying and in this shop it only shows legit services. Waiting to get fully approved (not kind of pre-approved like on Stripe). Hoping︀ they dont check the xyz.com
2. Using xyz.com for social media services only website
I think once an account is fully approved, nobody will check it manually. Only if you︁ can many chargebacks or you get reported.
What do you say to this?
It won't last. You sell social media services. Someone buys a 1000 followers, 2 weeks later 80% of those are banned, so they chargeback. Couple of those, they check your site and you're banned.
You are not going to find someone who works at a processor who is going to allow you to pay them under the table and they allow you to keep their account. It doesn't work like that. Forget it.
End of the day, what you want to do is against ALL payment processors TOS so you need to be sneaky. The end.
You are not going to find someone who works at a processor who is going to allow you to pay them under the table and they allow you to keep their account. It doesn't work like that. Forget it.
End of the day, what you want to do is against ALL payment processors TOS so you need to be sneaky. The end.
It will be a hit and hide game for you, sorry to say so. Only alternative I would see in your case is to use Crypto which will last for ever because of no rules to apply to and no CB options.
Otherwise you will needto setup a cover business like everyone else do and use the rinse and repeat method.
Otherwise you will needto setup a cover business like everyone else do and use the rinse and repeat method.
Have you tried to notify US customers to call their bank and ask them to force their transaction for PayOP? It is possible to reduce the number of failed transactions.
I spied it on one︀ website that sells medicines from India. They use direct payment on their website. Money sent︁ to Africa as a result
I spied it on one︀ website that sells medicines from India. They use direct payment on their website. Money sent︁ to Africa as a result
Why my credit card was declined?
In most cases, unless it's a fraudulent issue, the problems will be resolved on the phone. Keep in mind that our online pharmacy doesn't decline your payment,your credit card company or bank does. Our payment processing gateways are located in Europe and China because the U.S. banks prohibit direct purchases for RX drugs. And they do not basically allow transactions from overseas.
Solutions for the most common declined payment reasons:
In most cases, unless it's a fraudulent issue, the problems will be resolved on the phone. Keep in mind that our online pharmacy doesn't decline your payment,your credit card company or bank does. Our payment processing gateways are located in Europe and China because the U.S. banks prohibit direct purchases for RX drugs. And they do not basically allow transactions from overseas.
Solutions for the most common declined payment reasons:
- The issuing bank doesn't allow the use of the card for Internet or international transactions. Talk to your bank to allow these types of transactions, then retry the︀ credit card in 24 hours. Or, enter a new card that does allow Internet or︁ international transactions.
- The billing address or the phone number that you have typed into the︂ website does not match the billing details on file with your bank or credit card︃ company.
- The account doesn't have sufficient funds or you've exceeded the card's credit limit or︄ single transaction limit.
- Call the support phone number that's shown on︇ the back of your credit card.
- Tell the representative that you was trying to pay︈ for consulting services online but that your payment was declined. Let them know the date︉ and amount of the decline. Do NOT mention any drugs or our online pharmacy website.︊
- The representative will give you the exact reason for the decline and help you resolve︋ the issue.
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